TR Turkish History

[Ryder]

Lots of Turks died in balkans in the hands of serbs,Greeks etc because of abdulhamid how can someone love this guy

Abdulhamid II actually was pretty successful in playing the serbs, bulgarians and greeks agaianst each other. Once he got taken down is when they united.

Abdulhamid II even allowed a Bulgarian orthodox church to recognised as a separate entity to divide the Orthodox Church.

Let me guess users wont acknowledge it. But if I acknowledge one positive about the man it makes me a worshipper.

I dont treat my history like a football team.

 

[Ryder]

Abdulhamid lost nearly 1.5 million km² territory during his reign another fact you guy forget to mention, the Balkan and Turkish-Italian Wars were not caused by the Young Turks.

We won against the Imperialists inside Anatolia the Turkish heartland, how did we left smaller after Lausanne?

Seriously if you don't talk with facts then better be quiet, it triggers me really hard when you try to fool the people around with your stupid lies.

Abdulhamid II lost a lot of land no doubt but his successors basically destroyed the empire and ran away.

Talaat, Jemal and Enver all ran away.

Only Enver had the balls to go and die fighting.

Whats actually interesting eventhough Sultan Abdulhamid II lived in exile he still kept in contact with Talaat Pasha and Rauf Orbay

 

[Ryder]

Abdulhamid II biggest mistake he ruled for too long and did not set up a proper successor to hand over power.

If so the Young Turks could have maybe been avoided and the stupid chaos.

Then again when you look at the whole situation It felt like every thing was inevitable which was the collapse of the empire itself.

Even if the Empire tried to keep its territory the British, French and Russian slowly chipped it all away while the subjects all rebelled and broke away.

Even our so called Muslim brothers were all breaking away from the empire.

Jemal Pasha once even thought about transforming the Ottoman Empire into a Austro-Hungaroan like state between the Turks and Arabs. Smart plan but may not work.

 

[Ravenman]

be respectful to the ones who fought in the independence war while your ottoman sultans were eager to hand over all lands to enemies!!
and be respectful to us that we are not idiot,we know what abdulhamid did !! he lost almost all lands except anatolia which is lost later in the mondros!!
we lost naval wars to greece!! thanks to your beloved abdulhamid!! we even lost canakkale war due having no navy thx to abdulhamid!!
ottomans let many turks suffered !! due being incapable in many areas, that is why it is in trash of history !!

We really should drink less and read more. Get your facts right or otherwise go talk in the Çay Bahçesi about the superiour deeds of Kilicdaroglu.

Abdulhamid II did not give 1 piece of land to the enemy in 33 years. The 'Young Ottomans' (the early inventors of the Young Turks - both groups were not Turkish) installed him at the throne by the hands of the liberal democrat Grandvizier and Tanzimat-fetish Mithat Pasha (after killing his uncle Sultan Abdulaziz), they forced him to sign the first constitution and forced them to go to war against the Russian Empire in 1877 against his will, thats the only war he lost as a young Sultan. After the war he cancelled the constitution and beheaded Mithat Pasha.

He smashed the Greek Kingdom in the war of 1897 to protect Crete, he smashed the Armenian insurgency in the east, he smashed the Bulgarian rebels in the Balkans, he did not give one piece of land to the enemy, not even when Theodor Herzl and the Zionist Congress of Vienna offered millions of golden lira's to erase Ottoman statedebt in turn for a small piece of Palestine.

He took a declined and bankrupt empire in 1876 and modernized it with schools, hospitals, militairy colleges, railroads, telegraphnetworks, fabrics, and he even paid almost all the debt of the state. He was responsible for the greatest educational and medical reforms and established the first Turkish national security agency and he did this with full opposition from the in- and outside and they attacked his palace and his family with the first time bomb ever made (Yildiz Assasination) by the Dashnaks. They hired even the worlds first freelance terrorist Edward Joris to kill him.

His reign lasted till 1909, and he build out plans to defend the Bospurus because he knew war was coming. Alle the fortifications and artillery pieces at Canakkale were placed at this order. If the freemasons didnt brought him down, who knows what would happened.

 

[Ravenman]

Lots of Turks died in balkans in the hands of serbs,Greeks etc because of abdulhamid how can someone love this guy

Because of Abdulhamid II?

Could you please explain this, otherwise i could say 100.000 soldiers died in the cold in Sarikamis because of the 'Young Turks' (none of them were Turks) heavy spending on raki instead of winterclothes.

 

[Lool]

His reign lasted till 1909, and he build out plans to defend the Bospurus because he knew war was coming. Alle the fortifications and artillery pieces at Canakkale were placed at this order. If the freemasons didnt brought him down, who knows what would happened.

We can go for eons trying to argue whether Abdulhamid II was good or bad; yet regardless of how he was, Ottomans would have still lost..... The empire was too big to be protected, moral values were down in the drain, and corruption was just way too rampant.... Above all, technologically, the Ottomans were inferior since they got used to being "Superior" as some might say. For sure Abdulhamid II did make some reforms in education but he cant close a gap of 120+ years in 15 years or so....

As for Palestinians, I would just like to say that the same lovely ppl who Abdulhamid II protected, ended up betraying the Ottoman empire just to be snatched by the Jews; thus, Abdulhamid II's sacrifice was in vain.....

And lets not forget the massive debt that Abdulhamid had to pay and above all..... it was controlled by foreign powers..... thus, even finances of the empire was scarce

Finally, The Young Turks or whatever they were called did want change as the Ottomans' ruling class just became way too arrogant and blind.... there were several signs that times are changing but the might NOBLES thought that they were above all...... we can go on on whether they were bad or good, but the Young Turks were right on the point that change was necessary for survival.... either improve the state or get fqed in the A** and unsurprisingly this is what happened

This may not be related but....
IMO, I would give credit to Ataturk for this.... he did learn that the times are changing and that is why after the war completely ended, he established avionics companies to aid the TURKS of the future..... sadly, it ended up being closed by the same party he founded
Turkey by now would have their indeginous planes and would be more free from Western contraints.....

 

[Ravenman]

The reason why nobody could defend the islands dear comar because your beloved abdulhamid made our navy rott. His cowardness costed us much more than that though. The owl in the palaca said mehmet akif. He was right.

In this subject i am following Professor Ali Fuat Örenç from the University of Istanbul and not sewerjournalists from toiletpapers called Sözcü, like you do.

Abdulhamid II inherited a fresh and massive navy from his uncle Abdulaziz, but he couldnt use it effectively against the Russians in the war of 1877. The Russians invested heavy in minelayers and torpedos and we didnt, so our navy was big but very vulnerable against these new techniques, one of the main reasons the war of 1877 was lost.

So there was a great new navy, but not with the modern tech that was needed in that specific time. Its like you have hundreds of cartons of sigarettes, good for you, but i have the new e-cigarettes and need no lighters, lucifers and i can use it where ever i want because it doesnt smell or burn or produce waste. I am far ahead of you.

Abdulhamid II didnt had the money to modernize the navy, because the statedebt was huge and the statebudget was under control of the European Debt Directorate. He had to make choice with tiny space, and he choosed to modernize the army.

Like if the presidents that came after him modernized or invested heavy in the navy. If Erdogan didnt invest in our navy, nobody would.

 

[Ravenman]

Abdulhamid II ? Wasn't that guy who wanted to hand over his empire to the British protectorate ?

No, those were Enver Pasha, Cemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha. After they managed a coup against Abdulhamid and destroyed the state, they escaped to Germany in 1918 with a u-boat.

They were part of the 'Young Turk' coloured revolution against Abdulhamid II supported by Great Britain, like the Maidan revolution in Ukraine or the Arabic Spring supported by US & EU.

Everything was fine, nobody could harm the Ottoman state, until this three pasha's came along with Mahmud Sevket Pasha (another British client paw, under control of Parvus Helphand, the George Soros of that era) to bring down the head of state and after they did this stupid thing in 1908 the following happened:

- Bulgaria declared indepandency
- Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia
- Balkan War
- Italo-Turkish War
- Armenian 'Genocide'
- First World War

Did i forget something? They destroyed in 10 years everything wat Abdulhamid builded in 33 years of reign. Its no coincedence that all 4 of these pashas died like animals.

 

[GoatsMilk]

No, those were Enver Pasha, Cemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha. After they managed a coup against Abdulhamid and destroyed the state, they escaped to Germany in 1918 with a u-boat.

They were part of the 'Young Turk' coloured revolution against Abdulhamid II supported by Great Britain, like the Maidan revolution in Ukraine or the Arabic Spring supported by US & EU.

Everything was fine, nobody could harm the Ottoman state, until this three pasha's came along with Mahmud Sevket Pasha (another British client paw, under control of Parvus Helphand, the George Soros of that era) to bring down the head of state and after they did this stupid thing in 1908 the following happened:

- Bulgaria declared indepandency
- Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia
- Balkan War
- Italo-Turkish War
- Armenian 'Genocide'
- First World War

Did i forget something? They destroyed in 10 years everything wat Abdulhamid builded in 33 years of reign. Its no coincedence that all 4 of these pashas died like animals.

Ottomans kept getting bent over by Russia and her allies including Mr Abdul himself getting bent over. They needed to go, they were a disaster. To make matters worse the supporters of that Ottoman failure peddle the same western propaganda against the Turkish state "armenian genocide". What is it with islamists who are happy to shit on anything Turkish just to peddle islamist bullshit? Its crazy to see how Islamic minded people have become the biggest enemy within the Turkish state and its biggest enemy outside of it.

Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878) - Wikipedia

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Intervention by the Great Powers[edit]​

Europe after the Congress of Berlin in 1878 and the territorial and political rearrangement of the Balkan Peninsula.
Under pressure from the British, Russia accepted the truce offered by the Ottoman Empire on 31 January 1878, but continued to move towards Constantinople.

The British sent a fleet of battleships to intimidate Russia from entering the city, and Russian forces stopped at San Stefano. Eventually Russia entered into a settlement under the Treaty of San Stefano on 3 March, by which the Ottoman Empire would recognize the independence of Romania, Serbia, and Montenegro, and the autonomy of Bulgaria.

Alarmed by the extension of Russian power into the Balkans, the Great Powers later forced modifications of the treaty in the Congress of Berlin. The main change here was that Bulgaria would be split, according to earlier agreements among the Great Powers that precluded the creation of a large new Slavic state: the northern and eastern parts to become principalities as before (Bulgaria and Eastern Rumelia), though with different governors; and the Macedonian region, originally part of Bulgaria under San Stefano, would return to direct Ottoman administration.[61]

A surprising consequence came in Hungary (part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire). Despite memories of the terrible defeat at Mohács in 1526, elite Hungarian attitudes were becoming strongly anti-Russian. This led to active support for the Turks in the media, but only in a peaceful way, since the foreign policy of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy remained neutral.

Ironically the British empire saved the Ottomans from being utterly crushed. In that sense you Islamists have to thank the English. Its thanks to the English that the Ottomans got to survive a few more decades.

Under Abduls reign the Ottoman state became so weak and sick that it became fertile ground for revolution. The Ottomans became so backward, lethargic, lazy, corrupt and stupid thats its entire existence rested on Christian powers.

We don't want to ever see those corrupt and backward days ever again.

 

[GoatsMilk]

abduls crushing defeat at the hand of Russia also opened the armenians into open revolt against the Ottoman state.

Internationalization of the Armenian Question[edit]​

Emigration of Armenians into Georgia during the Russo-Turkish war
The conclusion of the Russo-Turkish war also led to the internationalization of the Armenian Question. Many Armenians in the eastern provinces (Turkish Armenia) of the Ottoman Empire greeted the advancing Russians as liberators. Violence and instability directed at Armenians during the war by Kurd and Circassian bands had left many Armenians looking toward the invading Russians as the ultimate guarantors of their security. In January 1878, Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople Nerses II Varzhapetian approached the Russian leadership with the view of receiving assurances that the Russians would introduce provisions in the prospective peace treaty for self-administration in the Armenian provinces. Though not as explicit, Article 16 of the Treaty of San Stefano read:

As the evacuation of the Russian troops of the territory they occupy in Armenia, and which is to be restored to Turkey, might give rise to conflicts and complications detrimental to the maintenance of good relations between the two countries, the Sublime Porte engaged to carry into effect, without further delay, the improvements and reforms demanded by local requirements in the provinces inhabited by Armenians and to guarantee their security from Kurds and Circassians.[64]

Great Britain, however, took objection to Russia holding on to so much Ottoman territory and forced it to enter into new negotiations by convening the Congress of Berlin in June 1878. An Armenian delegation led by prelate Mkrtich Khrimian traveled to Berlin to present the case of the Armenians but, much to its chagrin, was left out of the negotiations. Article 16 was modified and watered down, and all mention of the Russian forces remaining in the provinces was removed. In the final text of the Treaty of Berlin, it was transformed into Article 61, which read:

The Sublime Porte undertakes to carry out, without further delay, the improvements and reforms demanded by local requirements in the provinces inhabited by Armenians, and to guarantee their security against the Circassians and Kurds. It will periodically make known the steps taken to this effect to the powers, who will superintend their application.[65]

As it turned out, the reforms were not forthcoming. Khrimian returned to Constantinople and delivered a famous speech in which he likened the peace conference to a "'big cauldron of Liberty Stew' into which the big nations dipped their 'iron ladles' for real results, while the Armenian delegation had only a 'Paper Ladle'. 'Ah dear Armenian people,' Khrimian said, 'could I have dipped my Paper Ladle in the cauldron it would sog and remain there! Where guns talk and sabers shine, what significance do appeals and petitions have?'"[66] Given the absence of tangible improvements in the plight of the Armenian community, a number of Armenian intellectuals living in Europe and Russia in the 1880s and 1890s formed political parties and revolutionary societies to secure better conditions for their compatriots in Ottoman Armenia and other parts of the Ottoman Empire.[67]

Abdelhamid's reign was a total f'ing disaster! He was such a failure that he became a charactuer for failure and incompentency.

stop falling for AK party propaganda.

Any other nation that was gifted an Ataturk would treat him with the greatest admiration. In Turkey non-Turk islamists want to believe that he the root cause for the entire decline and fall of the islamic civilisation which has rightfully taken its place at the back of the queue for advanced civilisations of the world today.

As long as Muslims ignore the truth you can remain backward and you can watch on in great humiliation as muslims the world over are crushed by non-muslims. Even erdogan himself has only one success story, that success story is Turkish army. The very thing him and his masonic feto buddies did everything to destroy with fake charges and corrupt court procedures.

And the arrogance to mention "george soros" when your georgian leader is good mates with him.

look at how happy the AK party boys are to be in his presence, as if they didnt know he was or what he represented. Still to this day the George Soros open society foundation operates freely within eastern Turkey promoting Kurdish identity and separatism.

Political islamism was used in Turkey to divide the people against the state and against the Turkish people. Islamists openly felt comfortable to attack Turkey, attack the Turkish people and attack its history under the smokescreen of Islam.

Those days are ending, Turks have had enough their patience is no longer going to tolerate this crap indefinitely.

 

[Manomed]

We really should drink less and read more. Get your facts right or otherwise go talk in the Çay Bahçesi about the superiour deeds of Kilicdaroglu.

Abdulhamid II did not give 1 piece of land to the enemy in 33 years. The 'Young Ottomans' (the early inventors of the Young Turks - both groups were not Turkish) installed him at the throne by the hands of the liberal democrat Grandvizier and Tanzimat-fetish Mithat Pasha (after killing his uncle Sultan Abdulaziz), they forced him to sign the first constitution and forced them to go to war against the Russian Empire in 1877 against his will, thats the only war he lost as a young Sultan. After the war he cancelled the constitution and beheaded Mithat Pasha.

He smashed the Greek Kingdom in the war of 1897 to protect Crete, he smashed the Armenian insurgency in the east, he smashed the Bulgarian rebels in the Balkans, he did not give one piece of land to the enemy, not even when Theodor Herzl and the Zionist Congress of Vienna offered millions of golden lira's to erase Ottoman statedebt in turn for a small piece of Palestine.

He took a declined and bankrupt empire in 1876 and modernized it with schools, hospitals, militairy colleges, railroads, telegraphnetworks, fabrics, and he even paid almost all the debt of the state. He was responsible for the greatest educational and medical reforms and established the first Turkish national security agency and he did this with full opposition from the in- and outside and they attacked his palace and his family with the first time bomb ever made (Yildiz Assasination) by the Dashnaks. They hired even the worlds first freelance terrorist Edward Joris to kill him.

His reign lasted till 1909, and he build out plans to defend the Bospurus because he knew war was coming. Alle the fortifications and artillery pieces at Canakkale were placed at this order. If the freemasons didnt brought him down, who knows what would happened.

He literally ruled 33 years by giving everything we had lmao Only a non turk like you would adore someone like abdulhamid who wasn't even a turk kek. Never mind zaza go believe that abdulhamid was a good sultan.

 

[Manomed]

Only Islamists who doesn't care about turks would defend abdulhamid

 

[Ryder]

In this subject i am following Professor Ali Fuat Örenç from the University of Istanbul and not sewerjournalists from toiletpapers called Sözcü, like you do.

Abdulhamid II inherited a fresh and massive navy from his uncle Abdulaziz, but he couldnt use it effectively against the Russians in the war of 1877. The Russians invested heavy in minelayers and torpedos and we didnt, so our navy was big but very vulnerable against these new techniques, one of the main reasons the war of 1877 was lost.

So there was a great new navy, but not with the modern tech that was needed in that specific time. Its like you have hundreds of cartons of sigarettes, good for you, but i have the new e-cigarettes and need no lighters, lucifers and i can use it where ever i want because it doesnt smell or burn or produce waste. I am far ahead of you.

Abdulhamid II didnt had the money to modernize the navy, because the statedebt was huge and the statebudget was under control of the European Debt Directorate. He had to make choice with tiny space, and he choosed to modernize the army.

Like if the presidents that came after him modernized or invested heavy in the navy. If Erdogan didnt invest in our navy, nobody would.

Abdulaziz navy was big even up to date but the problem is when Abdulhamid II came to power it was already obsolete due to fast pace change of naval technology.

Ottomans even planned on building a pre-dreadnought ship during the late 1890s but it was obsolete already then you have funds.

Abdulhamid II still feared a coup from the navy there was that problem.

Lots of factors on why the Ottkman navy collapsed by the time ww1 started.

Despite these enormous drawbacks the Ottoman navy still saw action in the black sea, aegan sea and the eastern med in world war 1. Turkish navy was not present in the Independance war as the ships were locked up in Istanbul thats why the Turkish independance war barely featured any naval warfare but Turkish cities did come under naval bombardment by the British, French and the Americans.

 

[Ryder]

A Turkish torpedo boat even captured an Australian submarine A2 during the gallipoli campaign.

 

[Ryder]

abduls crushing defeat at the hand of Russia also opened the armenians into open revolt against the Ottoman state.

Internationalization of the Armenian Question[edit]​

Emigration of Armenians into Georgia during the Russo-Turkish war
The conclusion of the Russo-Turkish war also led to the internationalization of the Armenian Question. Many Armenians in the eastern provinces (Turkish Armenia) of the Ottoman Empire greeted the advancing Russians as liberators. Violence and instability directed at Armenians during the war by Kurd and Circassian bands had left many Armenians looking toward the invading Russians as the ultimate guarantors of their security. In January 1878, Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople Nerses II Varzhapetian approached the Russian leadership with the view of receiving assurances that the Russians would introduce provisions in the prospective peace treaty for self-administration in the Armenian provinces. Though not as explicit, Article 16 of the Treaty of San Stefano read:


Great Britain, however, took objection to Russia holding on to so much Ottoman territory and forced it to enter into new negotiations by convening the Congress of Berlin in June 1878. An Armenian delegation led by prelate Mkrtich Khrimian traveled to Berlin to present the case of the Armenians but, much to its chagrin, was left out of the negotiations. Article 16 was modified and watered down, and all mention of the Russian forces remaining in the provinces was removed. In the final text of the Treaty of Berlin, it was transformed into Article 61, which read:


As it turned out, the reforms were not forthcoming. Khrimian returned to Constantinople and delivered a famous speech in which he likened the peace conference to a "'big cauldron of Liberty Stew' into which the big nations dipped their 'iron ladles' for real results, while the Armenian delegation had only a 'Paper Ladle'. 'Ah dear Armenian people,' Khrimian said, 'could I have dipped my Paper Ladle in the cauldron it would sog and remain there! Where guns talk and sabers shine, what significance do appeals and petitions have?'"[66] Given the absence of tangible improvements in the plight of the Armenian community, a number of Armenian intellectuals living in Europe and Russia in the 1880s and 1890s formed political parties and revolutionary societies to secure better conditions for their compatriots in Ottoman Armenia and other parts of the Ottoman Empire.[67]

Abdelhamid's reign was a total f'ing disaster! He was such a failure that he became a charactuer for failure and incompentency.

stop falling for AK party propaganda.

Any other nation that was gifted an Ataturk would treat him with the greatest admiration. In Turkey non-Turk islamists want to believe that he the root cause for the entire decline and fall of the islamic civilisation which has rightfully taken its place at the back of the queue for advanced civilisations of the world today.

As long as Muslims ignore the truth you can remain backward and you can watch on in great humiliation as muslims the world over are crushed by non-muslims. Even erdogan himself has only one success story, that success story is Turkish army. The very thing him and his masonic feto buddies did everything to destroy with fake charges and corrupt court procedures.

And the arrogance to mention "george soros" when your georgian leader is good mates with him.

look at how happy the AK party boys are to be in his presence, as if they didnt know he was or what he represented. Still to this day the George Soros open society foundation operates freely within eastern Turkey promoting Kurdish identity and separatism.

Political islamism was used in Turkey to divide the people against the state and against the Turkish people. Islamists openly felt comfortable to attack Turkey, attack the Turkish people and attack its history under the smokescreen of Islam.

Those days are ending, Turks have had enough their patience is no longer going to tolerate this crap indefinitely.

Armenians rebelled who cares if they got crushed under Abdulhamid II.

They deserved it from terrorism to kidnappings.

Still Abdulhamid II was too lineniet on these Armenians. Hence why a bigger headache happened in ww1.

I give credit where its due the deportations done by Talaat pasha was necessary.

Either we live for another day or the Greeks and Armenians wpuld wipe us out the next day.

Ottoman Empire lost Greece in 1830 that was already a red flag anyway in the Empire as the Ottoman Empire still included lots of Greeks in the empire more than the newly independant nation of Greece.

The population exchange should have been done even before ww1.

Ottoman Empire still kept to that belief of being diverse bullshit. Any empire that clings on that diversity Bs collapses in the end.

Humans are tribal in nature you cant keep 100 different tribes or clans or even ethnic groups into one state.

 

[Ryder]

No, those were Enver Pasha, Cemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha. After they managed a coup against Abdulhamid and destroyed the state, they escaped to Germany in 1918 with a u-boat.

They were part of the 'Young Turk' coloured revolution against Abdulhamid II supported by Great Britain, like the Maidan revolution in Ukraine or the Arabic Spring supported by US & EU.

Everything was fine, nobody could harm the Ottoman state, until this three pasha's came along with Mahmud Sevket Pasha (another British client paw, under control of Parvus Helphand, the George Soros of that era) to bring down the head of state and after they did this stupid thing in 1908 the following happened:

- Bulgaria declared indepandency
- Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia
- Balkan War
- Italo-Turkish War
- Armenian 'Genocide'
- First World War

Did i forget something? They destroyed in 10 years everything wat Abdulhamid builded in 33 years of reign. Its no coincedence that all 4 of these pashas died like animals.

Basically chaos during Abdulhamid II's time and it continued under his successors.

But ww1 was inevitable we could have stayed neutral as we could but the Russians, British and the French have already made plans for our dismemberment. By the time ww1 happened we were isolated. Even if we kept neutral the geopolitical arena was changing against our wishes.

Especially Russian ambitions cant be ignored. Either we will wait the war to finish and have the British, French and Russians go after us or at least try to join the war and try to win it or at least get terms favourable to the Ottoman Empire.

In the end the empire collapsed. 600 year empire closed for good. Its actually going to be 100 years since the Ottoman Empire collapsed as they completely collapsed in 1922-1923. Well it collapsed after ww1 was just a dead man walking at this point as the Allies occupied the capital.

 

[Ryder]

be respectful to the ones who fought in the independence war while your ottoman sultans were eager to hand over all lands to enemies!!
and be respectful to us that we are not idiot,we know what abdulhamid did !! he lost almost all lands except anatolia which is lost later in the mondros!!
we lost naval wars to greece!! thanks to your beloved abdulhamid!! we even lost canakkale war due having no navy thx to abdulhamid!!
ottomans let many turks suffered !! due being incapable in many areas, that is why it is in trash of history !!

Trash lol they have a 600 year legacy. Now ask me this what will your legacy be?

Ask this question yourself this is for me too.

 

[Ryder]

I know our history has its ups and downs.

If we dont want to repeat the past look towards the future.

Compare the Turkish navy today compared to the past even at Ataturks time. We are in a much better position.

Our waters are not so vulnerable as they were in the past.

 

[Ryder]

The most important achievement of Abdulhamit the II is the establisment of Düyûn-ı Umûmiye. Foreigners started to collect taxes on Ottoman land. Therefore, in the Turkish history for the first time a Turkic state/empire become a colony. So yes Abdulhamit the II has a uniqe place in our history

Debt Colony alot of countries at the time ended as up debt colonies like Egypt, Greece, Bolivia, Chile, China, Qajar ruled Iran.

Qajars were so much in debt that the British controlled the oil of Iran so the Qajars can pay off their debts.

Ottoman Empires finances were controlled by the British, French and the Germans. Just another form of colonialism.

And it still continues today under the IMF and World Bank.

 

[Anastasius]

No, those were Enver Pasha, Cemal Pasha and Talaat Pasha. After they managed a coup against Abdulhamid and destroyed the state, they escaped to Germany in 1918 with a u-boat.

They were part of the 'Young Turk' coloured revolution against Abdulhamid II supported by Great Britain, like the Maidan revolution in Ukraine or the Arabic Spring supported by US & EU.

Everything was fine, nobody could harm the Ottoman state, until this three pasha's came along with Mahmud Sevket Pasha (another British client paw, under control of Parvus Helphand, the George Soros of that era) to bring down the head of state and after they did this stupid thing in 1908 the following happened:

- Bulgaria declared indepandency
- Austria-Hungary annexed Bosnia
- Balkan War
- Italo-Turkish War
- Armenian 'Genocide'
- First World War

Did i forget something? They destroyed in 10 years everything wat Abdulhamid builded in 33 years of reign. Its no coincedence that all 4 of these pashas died like animals.

I wish there was an "interesting" reaction emoji because while I may not agree with all you say, you do provide some fascinating food for thought.