TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Yasar_TR]

Has ATMACA capability of swarm attacks? I mean is ATMACA able to coordinate attack with other ATMACA missile on one target?

Multiple Atmaca missiles can be fired on a target with multiple predetermined flight plans to saturate target ship’s defence. Some with top attack, some with different flight paths, some sea skimming all the way. If it is possible to sink a ship worth 3-400 million dollars, with 10-12 of these missiles, it is a good return on capital!

 

[Turko]

Has ATMACA capability of swarm attacks? I mean is ATMACA able to coordinate attack with other ATMACA missile on one target?

Some old soviet Antiship missiles had this capability. One of them flies higher in order to search target with its radar, once the higher missile gets radar contact, it guides other misilles which fly at low altitude.

So target ship gets radar signal just from one missile thus Others missiles can be hidden.

 

[Spook]

Some old soviet Antiship missiles had this capability. One of them flies higher in order to search target with its radar, once the higher missile gets radar contact, it guides other misilles which fly at low altitude.

So target ship gets radar signal just from one missile thus Others missiles can be hidden.

P-6 Cruise Missile

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Atmaca made a big hole in the water level

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1406548333502533632

 

[Huelague]

Turkish navy much stronger with indigenous anti-ship missile

Atmaca boasts 250-kilometer (155-mile) range in shooting tests - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Huelague]

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1406602639450771460

 

[Test7]

Calm down Atmaca.. Who said that you are Akya

 

[Combat-Master]

Calm down Atmaca.. Who said that you are Akya

Looking forward to seeing Akya splitting a ship in half

 

[Hexciter]

SINKEX: Watch Turkey’s Anti-Ship Missile Atmaca Sink A Ship In Final Test​

Turkey's indigenous anti-ship missile developing story concludes with success.​

SINKEX: Watch Turkey's anti-ship missile Atmaca Sink a Ship in Final Test - Naval News

Turkey's indigenous anti-ship missile developing story concludes with success. Turkish Navy's fourth Ada-class corvette, TCG KINALIADA, carried out the final test-firing of the Roketsan-made Atmaca anti-ship missile on 19 June in the Black Sea.

www.navalnews.com

 

[TheInsider]

Has ATMACA capability of swarm attacks? I mean is ATMACA able to coordinate attack with other ATMACA missile on one target?

Atmaca is a network-enabled smart weapon. IMHO it is the best subsonic anti-ship missile available today.

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Turko]

Calm down Atmaca.. Who said that you are Akya

Having seen ATMACA hit the ship just above 1.5 sea level, i really doubt efficiency of many SAM systems. Especially naval iron dome which has minumum range of 4km.
Sea Septor CAMM has 2km minumum range.

Rolling Airframe Missiles have just 400 m mimum range but RIM 116 can't be launched vertically so you need double RAM launcher.

The SAM systems with long minumum range seem desperate against new gen cruise missiles like ATMACA.

How far can search could detect a cruise missile which flies just at 1.5 meters?

Korkut-D turns out to have most effective way to engage .

Comment from quora ( author calculated at 5 metres!!! flying cruise missile against most powerful naval radars!!!) İmagine ATMACA flies at 1.5 metres, so many frigates/ corvettes with low radar antenna have 20 seconds before they are hit.

Why does the Type 45 use a rotating phased array radar, while other ships like the Arleigh Burke use stationary radar panels?

Paul Adam's answer: One part of the answer is that Radar 1045 is an active phased array (the elements in the faces do their own transmitting, rather than a passive array relaying energy generated elsewhere - a lot of the superstructure volume of a ship with SPY-1 is the plumber’s nightmare of wav...

www.quora.com

Another is radar horizon. Take, for simplicity’s sake, a missile coming in at Mach 2 and five metres’ height: a SPY-1 array about 20 metres above the waterline, will first see it at about 28 kilometres’ range, or 42 seconds before it hits you. Radar 1045, forty metres up, will first see it at a bit over 35 kilometres - giving ten more seconds of warning, track formation, reaction and response time. (You can fire a dozen Sea Viper missiles in that ten seconds…)

 

[Anmdt]

Rolling Airframe Missiles have just 400 m mimum range but RIM 116 can't be launched vertically so you need double RAM launcher.

Why? Fire one, and missile will track the missile on its own, then rotate launcher at other side and fire one more to engage at another incoming missile.
RIM-116 missile can track both seeker radiation and IR radiation of the turbojet engine.
Or ESSM like missiles can track the illuminated radar or the targets they can find with their own seeker in short ranges.

In my opinion Phalanx/Gökdeniz is worst way to counter a salvo of anti-ship missiles, they need to remain engaged until making sure target is gone (Gökdeniz has slightly an upper hand thanks to smart munition and pellet clouds, can fire and then rotate at another side, keep the track of other targets with dedicated search radar etc), they are better be the last option to catch what is passing through the missile barrage.

Shortcoming of RIM-116 is the number of missiles available and takes time to reload, while Gökdeniz even compared to Phalanx, gives more engagement per reload.

 

[Anmdt]

Just a Question do you know What is the standart? I mean one RIM 116 per target?

Like any other AA missiles, 2 is the common practice but could be 3 or 1 depending on the target or self-defense scheme.

 

[Turko]

Why? Fire one, and missile will track the missile on its own, then rotate launcher at other side and fire one more to engage at another incoming missile.
RIM-116 missile can track both seeker radiation and IR radiation of the turbojet engine.
Or ESSM like missiles can track the illuminated radar or the targets they can find with their own seeker in short ranges.

In my opinion Phalanx/Gökdeniz is worst way to counter a salvo of anti-ship missiles, they need to remain engaged until making sure target is gone (Gökdeniz has slightly an upper hand thanks to smart munition and pellet clouds, can fire and then rotate at another side, keep the track of other targets with dedicated search radar etc), they are better be the last option to catch what is passing through the missile barrage.

Shortcoming of RIM-116 is the number of missiles available and takes time to reload, while Gökdeniz even compared to Phalanx, gives more engagement per reload.

i was wondering if RIM 116 had datalink connection between search radar so I deeply searched on internet. My findings are RIM-116 missile doesn't have datalink capability so a radar doesn't manage fly path the missile after launch however it can lock after launch( if target is visible to missile's seeker)

I am disappointed and all my thoughts appear wrong.

RAM system is not as Same as Hisar A IR which manages and feeds missiles path until therminal phase.


Türkçe yazacağım kusura bakmayın . Geminin arkasındaki RAM launcheri ile geminin önünden gelen , Füzenin IR arayacısının önünde olmayan bir hedefe angaje olmak mümkün değilmiş. Sea ceptor , umkhonto IR , Hisar IR gibi değilmiş. Sidewinderın datalinksiz hali gibi ama iki tane microwave seeker eklemişler.

Yani hedefin RAM'in önünde olması lazım.

Basit bir Stinger tabiiki değil ama bir Hisar-O da değil.

RAM'ın vertical olmaması minumum rangeni ve angajman süresini kısaltıyor.

Radar ile birleştirilmiş Mistral Sinbad sistemlerine VSHORAD olarak güvenmeye başladım. Çünkü mistraller stingedan daha uzun daha geniş daha ağır. Daha büyük arayıcı başlık, daha uzun menzil.
Hele bizim SUNGURun Mistral gibi büyük olduğunu ve artı olarak IIR olduğunu öğrendikten sonra Radar ile beslenen bir Sungur Cruise Missile vurabiliceğine inancım oluştu.

Tekrar özür Türkçe için.

 

[Anmdt]

Türkçe yazacağım kusura bakmayın . Geminin arkasındaki RAM launcheri ile geminin önünden gelen , Füzenin IR arayacısının önünde olmayan bir hedefe angaje olmak mümkün değilmiş. Sea ceptor , umkhonto IR , Hisar IR gibi değilmiş. Sidewinderın datalinksiz hali gibi ama iki tane microwave seeker eklemişler.

Main radar-CMS knows where the target is, so does the tracking radar, the information can be fed into RIM-116 before launch, then the launcher platform points towards there and then fires and forgets, missile can do necessary maneuver if it has to pass from a dead-zone of the launcher, later blocks should have some sort of data-link to update target condition.

Technically it provides 360 degree coverage, practically some portion of it has longer response time than others. The dead-zones usually has the weakest RCS and well protected by the main gun.

The two MW receiver are point measurement units, creating a directional information regarding to the source of the radar emitter (seeker of the AShM) and RIM-116 missile maneuver towards it then uses IR-IIR seeker to engage fully. Those are added for a reason to support IR/IIR seeker.

Whole point of RIM-116 is that launcher can point the missile towards the target, even without using radars but solely E/O or eye tracking, thus reduces reaction time and distance, it is the concept of how it works with minimal interference from the operator. The launcher can even operate semi-manually without relience on CMS.

In terms of kinetics, maneuverability it is better than a MANPADS with back-up guidance against typical AShM with radar seeker.

 

[TheInsider]

Having seen ATMACA hit the ship just above 1.5 sea level, i really doubt efficiency of many SAM systems. Especially naval iron dome which has minumum range of 4km.
Sea Septor CAMM has 2km minumum range.

Sea clutter also becomes a huge problem when you cruise that close to the sea surface.

Sea Clutter - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[Philip the Arab]

Atmaca is a network-enabled smart weapon. IMHO it is the best subsonic anti-ship missile available today.

LRASM?

 

[Spook]

LRASM?

Not in the same class. Should be compared to common AShM like Harpoon, Exocet etc.