Turkish Missile & Smart Munition Programs

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I think it could be easily done with Roketsan's 40mm Mini Missile. May open up a massive market for RPG-7 users too imo..
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I hope. Since MKE trying to get their act together. Maybe it's time to make better variant of LAW, RPG, munitions etc. Nammo company has been very successful with LAW series. Modern RPG launcher like Airtronic would be great. We need better man portable bunker busting rockets etc.
 

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Indigenous Ramjet Missile will also get a version to be used on the F-16(Most likely Özgur).

Ramjet BVR(which according to sources will be more advanced than even Meteor), AESA Radar(more advanced than even the APG-83), new avionics and EW/SP Suit.

Rafale who?
 

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Indigenous Ramjet Missile will also get a version to be used on the F-16(Most likely Özgur).

Ramjet BVR(which according to sources will be more advanced than even Meteor), AESA Radar(more advanced than even the APG-83), new avionics and EW/SP Suit.

Rafale who?

Mate, First of all I agree about our developed products which (I think) will be providing more.
But it is no matter about rafale or meteor. Why because we have own product mature enough and CAN be CHANGED, Configured what ever when ever we want it -> this is the big leverage which other does not have at moment (their prodcut is finished, mean there is not development or change )
 

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Indigenous Ramjet Missile will also get a version to be used on the F-16(Most likely Özgur).

Ramjet BVR(which according to sources will be more advanced than even Meteor), AESA Radar(more advanced than even the APG-83), new avionics and EW/SP Suit.

Rafale who?


I hope we don't wait until 2025-26s for response and integrate Gökdoğan Phase 2 before. We can integrate it to more F16s, far quicker. Also we should experiment with new concepts.
 

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I think it could be easily done with Roketsan's 40mm Mini Missile. May open up a massive market for RPG-7 users too imo..
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RPG-7 costs 500 USD, how much would laser guidance kit and laser pointer cost? Noone would buy it. If somebody needs laser guided mini missile, Turkey offers turnkey solution which is less complex and more compact. I don't think rpg with laser guidance will cost less than Roketsans mini missile.
 

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I have a question. TRG 122 and TRG 230 will be integrated to Akıncı as it was said before. They will have 60-70 km and 150+ km maximum ranges respectively. Well then will they have the same CEP at maximum ranges when they are launched from Akıncı?
 

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RPG-7 costs 500 USD, how much would laser guidance kit and laser pointer cost? Noone would buy it. If somebody needs laser guided mini missile, Turkey offers turnkey solution which is less complex and more compact. I don't think rpg with laser guidance will cost less than Roketsans mini missile.

That's what makes it so attractive, RPG-7 launcher is so cheap and can already readily fire different types of warheads. A perfect platform to develop a laser-guided missile for it. Take, for example, Saab and Raytheon who partnered up to develop a laser-guided missile for Carl-Gustav recoilless rifle. Roketsan's mini-missile was just an example of Roketsan developing a missile for originally unguided platforms.

A good and cheap alternative for less off countries to have smart weapons. Roketsan should get on it before other countries do.
 

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Roketsan MD Murat İkinci has stated that the Atmaca has paved the way to produce this very advanced missile in other forms. The Land Launched version is a good example of this he has said. But now in a very short time you may see the air launched versions with slight modification to size etc for Medium Range targets.
This means most probably Helicopter launched version is In the cards as well as plane/UCAV launched ones.

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He has also mentioned that the first MIDLAS vertical launch system is going to be fitted to I- class frigate.
 

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Roketsan MD Murat İkinci has stated that the Atmaca has paved the way to produce this very advanced missile in other forms. The Land Launched version is a good example of this he has said. But now in a very short time you may see the air launched versions with slight modification to size etc for Medium Range targets.
This means most probably Helicopter launched version is In the cards as well as plane/UCAV launched ones.

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He has also mentioned that the first MIDLAS vertical launch system is going to be fitted to I- class frigate.

I think people misunderstand Medium Range Anti-Ship missiles. It's being developed specifically to be launched from Helicopters, the follow on developments for surface and fixed wing platforms will come later.
 

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I think people misunderstand Medium Range Anti-Ship missiles. It's being developed specifically to be launched from Helicopters, the follow on developments for surface and fixed wing platforms will come later.
Helicopter launched MRAShM is vital at the moment. But really, surface launch needs to be developed as well for OPV, FAC, Tuzla class and more importantly for ULAQ.
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Helicopter launched MRAShM is vital at the moment. But really, surface launch needs to be developed as well for OPV, FAC, Tuzla class and more importantly for ULAQ.
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What do you think which guidance seeker should MRAShM have? I suggest IR guidance like Kara Atmaca.
Radar seeker emits signals so it's easy to be detected. For middle range IR guidance with GPS would be great.
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İf it's a MRAShM , it has IR seeker.
 
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What do you think which guidance seeker should MRAShM have? I suggest IR guidance like Kara Atmaca.
Radar seeker emits signals so it's easy to be detected. For middle range IR guidance with GPS would be great.
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İf it's a MRAShM , it has IR seeker.
Most medium range missiles like Harpoon and Exocet use active radar homing. Our Som-j uses terrain referenced navigation and IIR seeker. Israeli Gabriel 5/Mk4 and SKorean Haeseong have 200km ranges and both use active radar homing. Marte ER has over 100km range and use active radar too.
True; Radar homing can be detected. Spear-3 has all three, (radar, IR and laser homing) As IR seekers are passive they are stealthier.
Active radar homing is mainly used at the terminal stage though. INS and GPS guidance turns to active radar at terminal stage.
This missile needs to be effective, cheap and accurate. So a seeker head that we can manufacture most reliably, cheaply and in abundance should be chosen.
 
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RPG-7 costs 500 USD, how much would laser guidance kit and laser pointer cost? Noone would buy it. If somebody needs laser guided mini missile, Turkey offers turnkey solution which is less complex and more compact. I don't think rpg with laser guidance will cost less than Roketsans mini missile.

Micro-munition works independent from the RPG launcher. Same as with grenade launcher. It does not require dedicated equipment other than the laser designator which would be required for both 40mm and RPG. Would be amazing if assembling the smart RPG round is easy as assembling typical RPG round. You basically add the micro-munition as warhead to the propellant.


This gives better idea.

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