TR Turkish Missile & Smart Munition Programs

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You have just explained very well terminal stage when the rocket is free falling at maximum range app 300km.

What if the rocket engaged onto ship at midcourse when its rocket engine still running? İmagine that the Bora engages on a ship at 100km range. İt would still have thrust in order to keep direct flight path. Could Bora keep direct flight path at least 50meters above to sea if it had decent canards and fins?

Kinda big and heavy SAM engaging on ship, Like penguin Anti-ship missile but huge. İ wonder if it would be still hypersonic.
If we can recap about missiles like Bora, Lora (Israel), Iskander (Russia) and BP12 derivatives (China) ; These are all quasi ballistic missiles (They behave like ballistic. But have a lower altitude flight paths) . They expend their fuel when they reach their apogee. So they start to lose speed. Then they start their dive from 40-60000m altitude towards earth. Because of rarified atmosphere and almost non existent air drag they reach hypersonic speeds under gravity. But after 15000m altitude when they start hitting denser air they start losing speed governed by terminal velocity principle.
If some fuel were to be kept at reserve like it is in a dual pulse rocket motor, then theoretically you could achieve hypersonic speeds at terminal stage.
These missiles are essentially of ballistic nature. They do not fly like a cruise missile. They go up then down. In fact the more acute the hitting angle the more effective they are and more difficult to intercept. The trick lies in the weight of the missile and it’s aerodynamic structure. The heavier and the more aerodynamic the missile is the less drag coefficient it will have. Hence faster terminal velocity. To make it more difficult to lock on to and intercept, Iskander missile, for example, does certain manoeuvres along it’s flight.
 

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Within the scope of the "Pedestal Mounted CİRİT Weapon System Project", which was launched with the aim of providing additional capabilities to the anti-tank divisions and capable of firing UMTAS and CİRİT missiles, the targets determined in the inspection and acceptance firings carried out in Konya/Karapınar were hit successfully.
 

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I didn’t like the black smoke at the initiation of main engine of “Karaok” missile
 

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KaraOk ATGM
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That looks like a top attack test. Against most modern tanks this is the best method of destroying them as it is the weakest point.
Being a fairly light and small missile, it may not have enough punch to pierce through heavy side and front armour of MBTs. But will be useful for medium tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles.
 
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That looks like a top attack test. Against most modern tanks this is the best method of destroying them as it is the weakest point.
Being a fairly light and small missile, it may not have enough punch to pierce through heavy side and front armour of MBTs. But will be useful for medium tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles.
Comparing Javelin , yes Karaok seems more compact but it could still eliminate heavy a MBT with top attack, couldn't it ?

Wait i think Karaok is not smaller than javelin.
 
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Comparing Javelin , yes Karaok seems more compact but it could still eliminate heavy a MBT with top attack, couldn't it ?

Wait i think Karaok is not smaller than javelin.
We don’t have enough on Karaok. But it is a Turkish Javelin missile. Both missiles have a range of 2500m. If memory serves I had read somewhere that Karaok can pierce through minimum, 500mm steel equivalent behind ERA. According to Javelin specs, it can pierce through 600mm behind ERA. So they are very similar. And very deadly in top attack form.
(Today’s modern MBTs like leo2a6 and newer versions, Altay is to have armour at sides and front with a thickness of near 1000+mm steel equivalent.)
 
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Which Turkish Navy warships do have SONAR that capable of searching 50km?

50km range torpedo seems to me superior.

I've learned a lot of things from forums except Sonars. Even about foreign sonars there is lack of information on internet.




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SOM Cruise missile has been made the unique unit of ''Turks'' civilization in the strategy video game ''Humankind'' made by some of the ex-developers of Sid Meier's Civilization series.

The game has been the fourth most selling game in USA in August 2021 and was nominated as the best strategy/sim game of 2021 in Game Awards (winner was AOE4).


I already found it weird they made Turks one of the 11 contemporary era cultures while leaving out England, South Korea etc.

But them knowing about SOM cruise missile or digging enough to discover SOM cruise missile has been a total shock for me.

In the game, any contemporary era civilization that researched the ''rocket science'' technology gets access to cruise missiles. However only Turks after researching ''fighter jets'' technology get the ability to upgrade their cruise missiles to SOM which enables player to make stealth attacks and not gain grievience points. It also upgrades strength from 62 to 70 and range from 14 to 30.

A stealth bonus makes perfect sense considering SOM-J was developed for F-35 Lightning II to carry in its internal bay, contributing to the stealth of the jet. With Turkey out of the programme, now the missile will be carried internally in Turkeys own national fighter jet TFX.

SOM is indeed one of the biggest advances in Turkish military industry in the recent years. It also has been described as the greatest of Greeces anxieties regarding the development of Turkish military industry.
 
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SOM Cruise missile has been made the unique unit of ''Turks'' civilization in the strategy video game ''Humankind'' made by some of the ex-developers of Sid Meier's Civilization series.

The game has been the fourth most selling game in USA in August 2021 and was nominated as the best strategy/sim game of 2021 in Game Awards (winner was AOE4).


I already found it weird they made Turks one of the 11 contemporary era cultures while leaving out England, South Korea etc.

But them knowing about SOM cruise missile or digging enough to discover SOM cruise missile has been a total shock for me.

In the game, any contemporary era civilization that researched the ''rocket science'' technology gets access to cruise missiles. However only Turks after researching ''fighter jets'' technology get the ability to upgrade their cruise missiles to SOM which enables player to make stealth attacks and not gain grievience points. It also upgrades strength from 62 to 70 and range from 14 to 30.

A stealth bonus makes perfect sense considering SOM-J was developed for F-35 Lightning II to carry in its internal bay, contributing to the stealth of the jet. With Turkey out of the programme, now the missile will be carried internally in Turkeys own national fighter jet TFX.

SOM is indeed one of the biggest advances in Turkish military industry in the recent years. It also has been described as the greatest of Greeces anxieties regarding the development of Turkish military industry.
"Upgrade cost 3,700 Money and needs 1 Oil, 3 Aluminium, 1 Uranium access on Empire."

bloody hell, do they know something that we dont?
 

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"Upgrade cost 3,700 Money and needs 1 Oil, 3 Aluminium, 1 Uranium access on Empire."

bloody hell, do they know something that we dont?

Nuclear warhead on SOM lets goo!

They also clearly based it on SOM-J the stealth variant is which made of composite instead of aluminium but it costs aluminium in the game.
 

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SOM Cruise missile has been made the unique unit of ''Turks'' civilization in the strategy video game ''Humankind'' made by some of the ex-developers of Sid Meier's Civilization series.

The game has been the fourth most selling game in USA in August 2021 and was nominated as the best strategy/sim game of 2021 in Game Awards (winner was AOE4).


I already found it weird they made Turks one of the 11 contemporary era cultures while leaving out England, South Korea etc.

But them knowing about SOM cruise missile or digging enough to discover SOM cruise missile has been a total shock for me.

In the game, any contemporary era civilization that researched the ''rocket science'' technology gets access to cruise missiles. However only Turks after researching ''fighter jets'' technology get the ability to upgrade their cruise missiles to SOM which enables player to make stealth attacks and not gain grievience points. It also upgrades strength from 62 to 70 and range from 14 to 30.

A stealth bonus makes perfect sense considering SOM-J was developed for F-35 Lightning II to carry in its internal bay, contributing to the stealth of the jet. With Turkey out of the programme, now the missile will be carried internally in Turkeys own national fighter jet TFX.

SOM is indeed one of the biggest advances in Turkish military industry in the recent years. It also has been described as the greatest of Greeces anxieties regarding the development of Turkish military industry.

About time they gave civilisations their unique units.

Age of empires and total war series are the worst offenders. Copy pasted units!!
 
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