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May I ask some questions:

As far as I know Umtas er is available now because Mr Demir said the range of Umtas has been improved to 16 km. Did you mean Umtas NLOS?

How gezgin will be used by Air force?

What about SOM variants and SOM ER?
I just assumed Gezgin might be used as an ALCM in future.
UMTAS-ER refers to UMTAS-NLOS or whatever Roketsan introduces as a NLOS missile.
SOM/SOMJ i don't give much chance for use by Navy or Land forces after Kara atmaca etc.




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SUBMARINE LAUNCHED!!!!????

Again Turkish defence industry will change war doctrines!

We could see air defense subs:)

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Aselsan has revealed the concept as Hisar Derin. Possibly will be using those two missiles.
 

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what is the official and possible range of Bozdoğan , Gökdoğan and Akdoğan ?
 

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IDAS missile.
IDAS project developed by the Thyssen-Krupp of Germany, and where Roketsan joined in to the consortium later, is a short range air defence missile to hunt submarine hunter helicopters and low flying anti submarine planes.
It is a human in the loop optical cabled missile system with a range of 40km based on IRIS-T missile.

 

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But doesn’t that mean that we know all the ins and outs of that IRIS-T missile? Doesn’t Greece use IRIS missiles on their planes as well?
 

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But doesn’t that mean that we know all the ins and outs of that IRIS-T missile? Doesn’t Greece use IRIS missiles on their planes as well?
I don't think Roketsan has anything to do with the missile there, but it was rather about the "torpedo" the envelope which carries the missiles. I think the keypoints we need to study are;

-Firing missiles, allowing them to successfully leave the torpedo shaped object
-Multi-packing missiles into a torpedo shaped object (needs to wait for quadpacking first)
-40 km long communications cable for man-in-the-loop usage (would be down for 20 km in our case)
-Engagement, that would require some E/O, comms on the torpedo-shaped launcher (compact, low-cost, disposable)

Roketsan might have had some "ins" about one of these at least.
wouldnt be too difficult to swap that with AMRAAM/Gokdogan type imo.

If given a budget and contract Tübitak is capable of converting those (Gökdoğan/Bozdoğan) into nice VL-type missiles.
 

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-Multi-packing missiles into a torpedo shaped object (needs to wait for quadpacking first)
İ didn't get the point. Which missiles are supposed to be quadpacked in a torpedo canister? IRIS and Hisar are both large. Just CAMM style would be.
 

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I don't think Roketsan has anything to do with the missile there, but it was rather about the "torpedo" the envelope which carries the missiles. I think the keypoints we need to study are;

-Firing missiles, allowing them to successfully leave the torpedo shaped object
-Multi-packing missiles into a torpedo shaped object (needs to wait for quadpacking first)
-40 km long communications cable for man-in-the-loop usage (would be down for 20 km in our case)
-Engagement, that would require some E/O, comms on the torpedo-shaped launcher (compact, low-cost, disposable)

Roketsan might have had some "ins" about one of these at least.


If given a budget and contract Tübitak is capable of converting those (Gökdoğan/Bozdoğan) into nice VL-type missiles.
OK Got it.
But if Roketsan is involved in the program and these missiles are being integrated in to Submarines’ sub systems, wouldn’t you be more aware of the peculiarities of the IRIS-T missile?
Is 40km range being halved “in our case” to do with Export version? If so that is a big cut in range and a hard pill to swallow in the case of Roketsan being a member of the consortium.
 

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OK Got it.
But if Roketsan is involved in the program and these missiles are being integrated in to Submarines’ sub systems, wouldn’t you be more aware of the peculiarities of the IRIS-T missile?
Is 40km range being halved “in our case” to do with Export version? If so that is a big cut in range and a hard pill to swallow in the case of Roketsan being a member of the consortium.
I dont think that Diehl gave noteworthy ToT to Roketsan on the IDAS project. Expect the wareads.
 

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Integration of cruise missiles into Submarines with SAGE DATA

-identical to GÜR AND PREVEZE ( TYPE 209 T2) guided missile launching system

-Possibility of underwater launch from up to a depth of 60 m

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Integration of cruise missile into Submarines with SAGE DATA
The tests of our national cruise missiles which will be launched from submarines with Data, will now be carried out much more cost-effectively and safely. This capability is in the hands of few countries in the world and Turkey will soon test its deep strike capability by launching different cruise missile systems from submarines via capsules seen on video without being detected. With this launch capability, Turkey will not be among the countries that can launch missiles from submarines but will be one of the few countries that can develop this technology.
Congratulations Tubitak Sage
 

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The tests of our national cruise missiles which will be launched from submarines with Data, will now be carried out much more cost-effectively and safely. This capability is in the hands of few countries in the world and Turkey will soon test its deep strike capability by launching different cruise missile systems from submarines via capsules seen on video without being detected. With this launch capability, Turkey will not be among the countries that can launch missiles from submarines but will be one of the few countries that can develop this technology.
Congratulations Tubitak Sage
We are soon getting sub-Atmaca, sub-Kara, sub-Gezgin. :)
 

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The tubes seems small for Atmaca or Akya heavy torpedo ?! Or they will test medium missiles first ?
Or its the tube in middle ? not 4 on side ? 😂
 

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The tubes seems small for Atmaca or Akya heavy torpedo ?! Or they will test medium missiles first ?
Or its the tube in middle ? not 4 on side ? 😂
"Ballast Tanks" possibly.
 

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