TR Naval Programs

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,151
Solutions
2
Reactions
97 22,951
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
Related to the Barbaros MLU:
Aselsan has completed calibration tests of the TAKS (Cannon FCS) for 127mm (5/54) main gun of the Barbaros class with more than 200 shells fired for two weeks. The system is able to calculate real time ballistic routes, instantly, using accurate methods by feeding on environmental conditions to increase the accuracy. The system is also already in use by 76mm and 40mm naval cannons in Turkish Naval Forces' inventory.
1635778908461.png
 

Bogeyman 

Experienced member
Professional
Messages
8,335
Reactions
60 29,260
Website
twitter.com
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

WhatsApp%20Image%202021-10-22%20at%2011_37_19%20(3).jpeg

Turkey`s Only Domestic and National Underwater Environment Model (SORTAM)​

The Underwater Acoustic Environment Model (SORTAM) is the core product of ‘Koç Bilgi ve Savunma Teknolojileri’ (KoçSavunma) in modeling & simulation business area.. The main advantage of SORTAM is that the other products manufactured by only a handful companies in the world is suspectable to high licensing prices and applied quotas.

Although the usage needs of underwater environment models are well known by Naval Warfare specialists, it would be helpful to bring to the attention of all decision-makers why these software tools for a very specific purpose are needed. In this context, if we compare SORTAM to a key, it is possible to say that without the key, which is the first link in the chain, it is not possible to succeed in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and submarine warfare (SW).

Since ASW and SW are conducted and concluded under the sea, they highly depend on underwater acoustic environment sensors. Therefore, SONAR (Sound Navigation and Ranging) systems working with sound waves in the underwater acoustic environment play a leading role in executing the basic search, detection, identification, recognition, tracking, and attack methods. All other technologies that use the higher parts of the frequency band, especially magnetic and electro-optical, are used as complementary sensors for these warfare types alongside SONAR. Technological projections for the foreseeable future also indicate that acoustics will continue to be used as the primary sensors in ASW and SW. As a result, the SONAR technology, which has been in use for nearly a century, has basically not changed much, so the winner will be the one who makes the best use of the underwater acoustic environment.

Since the acoustic conditions in the water, temperature, pressure and salinity factors bend the linear propagation of sound waves, it is vital to know where these factors (which are constantly changing according to the environment) will carry the acoustic signals emitted by the sonars and where the sound cannot reach. In this information beam, called the sound propagation profile, elements operating both active and passive sonar will be able to estimate the range of their devices.

To make this estimation in a very simple way, first of all, the elements on the battlefield need to process the temperature or sound velocity data in their region, which is collected via XBT or XSV devices, with software modeling to make sonar range estimation (varies with depth). While these estimation modeling tools were based on manual calculation methods in the past, with the transition to computer technology, this process can be done much faster and closer to reality, with programs based on software algorithms, and many parameters that seem like details but have an effect on accurate estimations can be processed precisely.

As a result, the tactical commanders on the battlefield can deploy their surface, underwater and air assets in the most advantageous positions, decide to operate their active sonars and make the most of the advantages of passive listening, only if they can predict sound propagation profiles as closely as possible in advance. The best opening moves required to win a chess game played at the expense of surviving or sinking can only be achieved with the effective use of underwater environment models.

Unless the underwater environment conditions are well predicted, it will not be possible to use the SONAR devices, with a value of at least two-digit million dollars, carried on each ASW platform.

As stated at the beginning, SORTAM is the only option that can meet this need domestically and nationally. Just like in the key example, its cost is negligible compared to the investment made in SONAR devices.

During the development phase, SORTAM has been tested in real environments for a long time by taking advantage of the opportunities provided by the Turkish Naval Forces and has reached a level that can compete with its foreign counterparts thanks to the feedback and needs of the users to the system. The selection of SORTAM for the Pakistan MİLGEM Project (BABÜR Class Corvettes) has made the KoçSavunma Family proud, proving its worth in the international arena. The prestige of serving the highly respected Pakistan Navy is very valuable to us.

The primary mission of all Navies in the world is to be ready for war at any time. KoçSavunma is ready to serve with SORTAM on the same day it is requested to provide underwater environment modeling service, which is an indispensable element of combat readiness and ASW and SW, to the customer, including all friendly and Allied Naval Forces.

 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,151
Solutions
2
Reactions
97 22,951
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey

WhatsApp%20Image%202021-10-22%20at%2011_37_19%20(3).jpeg

Turkey`s Only Domestic and National Underwater Environment Model (SORTAM)​

The Underwater Acoustic Environment Model (SORTAM) is the core product of ‘Koç Bilgi ve Savunma Teknolojileri’ (KoçSavunma) in modeling & simulation business area.. The main advantage of SORTAM is that the other products manufactured by only a handful companies in the world is suspectable to high licensing prices and applied quotas.

Although the usage needs of underwater environment models are well known by Naval Warfare specialists, it would be helpful to bring to the attention of all decision-makers why these software tools for a very specific purpose are needed. In this context, if we compare SORTAM to a key, it is possible to say that without the key, which is the first link in the chain, it is not possible to succeed in anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and submarine warfare (SW).

Since ASW and SW are conducted and concluded under the sea, they highly depend on underwater acoustic environment sensors. Therefore, SONAR (Sound Navigation and Ranging) systems working with sound waves in the underwater acoustic environment play a leading role in executing the basic search, detection, identification, recognition, tracking, and attack methods. All other technologies that use the higher parts of the frequency band, especially magnetic and electro-optical, are used as complementary sensors for these warfare types alongside SONAR. Technological projections for the foreseeable future also indicate that acoustics will continue to be used as the primary sensors in ASW and SW. As a result, the SONAR technology, which has been in use for nearly a century, has basically not changed much, so the winner will be the one who makes the best use of the underwater acoustic environment.

Since the acoustic conditions in the water, temperature, pressure and salinity factors bend the linear propagation of sound waves, it is vital to know where these factors (which are constantly changing according to the environment) will carry the acoustic signals emitted by the sonars and where the sound cannot reach. In this information beam, called the sound propagation profile, elements operating both active and passive sonar will be able to estimate the range of their devices.

To make this estimation in a very simple way, first of all, the elements on the battlefield need to process the temperature or sound velocity data in their region, which is collected via XBT or XSV devices, with software modeling to make sonar range estimation (varies with depth). While these estimation modeling tools were based on manual calculation methods in the past, with the transition to computer technology, this process can be done much faster and closer to reality, with programs based on software algorithms, and many parameters that seem like details but have an effect on accurate estimations can be processed precisely.

As a result, the tactical commanders on the battlefield can deploy their surface, underwater and air assets in the most advantageous positions, decide to operate their active sonars and make the most of the advantages of passive listening, only if they can predict sound propagation profiles as closely as possible in advance. The best opening moves required to win a chess game played at the expense of surviving or sinking can only be achieved with the effective use of underwater environment models.

Unless the underwater environment conditions are well predicted, it will not be possible to use the SONAR devices, with a value of at least two-digit million dollars, carried on each ASW platform.

As stated at the beginning, SORTAM is the only option that can meet this need domestically and nationally. Just like in the key example, its cost is negligible compared to the investment made in SONAR devices.

During the development phase, SORTAM has been tested in real environments for a long time by taking advantage of the opportunities provided by the Turkish Naval Forces and has reached a level that can compete with its foreign counterparts thanks to the feedback and needs of the users to the system. The selection of SORTAM for the Pakistan MİLGEM Project (BABÜR Class Corvettes) has made the KoçSavunma Family proud, proving its worth in the international arena. The prestige of serving the highly respected Pakistan Navy is very valuable to us.

The primary mission of all Navies in the world is to be ready for war at any time. KoçSavunma is ready to serve with SORTAM on the same day it is requested to provide underwater environment modeling service, which is an indispensable element of combat readiness and ASW and SW, to the customer, including all friendly and Allied Naval Forces.

One of the major reasons why Navies are higly interested in hydrographic surveys, the others are bottom and termocline mapping.
 
T

Turko

Guest
Without the search and tracking radars on top gotta pay extra for the extra weight.
AFAİK heavy weight of phalanx comes from its hydrolic auto loader. Again AFAIK our YHSS will have own tracking radar. İ don't think two compact radars weight 2 tons.
However one Main radar of warship is enough for every air defense system. Look at Pakistan's and turkmenistan's Corvettes.
 

Combat-Master

Baklava Consumer
Moderator
Messages
3,667
Reactions
15 25,473
Nation of residence
United Kingdom
Nation of origin
Turkey
AFAİK heavy weight of phalanx comes from its hydrolic auto loader. Again AFAIK our YHSS will have own tracking radar. İ don't think two compact radars weight 2 tons.
However one Main radar of warship is enough for every air defense system. Look at Pakistan's and turkmenistan's Corvettes.

I'm not sure how electric MKEK is going with the YHSS. I do expect heavy Aselsan involvement in this project perhaps with multi-function AESA radars that can provide search and tracking.

lol.jpg
 

Anmdt

Experienced member
Naval Specialist
Professional
Messages
5,151
Solutions
2
Reactions
97 22,951
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
I'm not sure how electric MKEK is going with the YHSS. I do expect heavy Aselsan involvement in this project perhaps with multi-function AESA radars that can provide search and tracking.

View attachment 35167
All we are asking from MKEK:
Just get the gun and foundation done, just get it done good and reliable with a reliable feed mechanism and leaves rest to other companies.
At least they can quit copying an outdated system (not telling it is not effective, but they are designing it for first) and peek at Korean CIWS.
 

Siper>MMU

Contributor
Messages
544
Reactions
2 1,194
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
All we are asking from MKEK:
Just get the gun and foundation done, just get it done good and reliable with a reliable feed mechanism and leaves rest to other companies.
At least they can quit copying an outdated system (not telling it is not effective, but they are designing it for first) and peek at Korean CIWS.
What's the point of making a new CİWS though? We already have Gökdeniz. Waste of funds.
 
T

Turko

Guest
What's the point of making a new CİWS though? We already have Gökdeniz. Waste of funds.
Maybe light weight and cheaper CIWS for little ships.
YHSS uses cheap 20mm ordinary ammos, no need to use expensive 3p ammunition and no need to add some additional sensor.
Also Gökdeniz's 35mm cal ammunition has strong recoil.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

TheInsider

Experienced member
Professional
Messages
3,809
Solutions
1
Reactions
27 13,685
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
YHSS and national 76mm cannon will be a huge success. MKE is using the right project management for those projects. MKE has been working with experienced companies as subcontractors to design subsystems. MKE provides guns, ammo, gun carriage, feed mechanism, drum-shaped ammo box, etc while subcontractors design, cooling systems, stabilization systems, radars, EO systems, FCS, etc. I can't believe I'm praising MKE lol.
 

Zafer

Experienced member
Messages
4,470
Reactions
6 7,143
Nation of residence
Turkey
Nation of origin
Turkey
YHSS and national 76mm cannon will be a huge success. MKE is using the right project management for those projects. MKE has been working with experienced companies as subcontractors to design subsystems. MKE provides guns, ammo, gun carriage, feed mechanism, drum-shaped ammo box, etc while subcontractors design, cooling systems, stabilization systems, radars, EO systems, FCS, etc. I can't believe I'm praising MKE lol.
MKE chief should soon be able to make public appearances with pride.
 
Top Bottom