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Orka (Aselsan's first prototype that now serves as training torpedo).
So that’s what happened to it. Mk46 is a venerable beast and is probably enough for our all needs. But in a world where Dzkk will operate in all seas and near oceans, and with the hopefully soon to be enlarged “fleet air arm” in more ASW helicopters, one thinks cutting the dependence on US in such strategic weapons should be a priority. We made Akya, we should be able to make an Orka Mk II as well.
 

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Would it be possible or realistic to equip AUVs or UUVs with SUNGUR and use them against Helicopters in the Aegean Sea?
As long as it can be launched without surfacing then yes. Practically, if deployed via fiber-optics, the AUV-UUV could make use of seeker's data to quick-look instead of deploying a periscope. But due to the cooled nature* of Sungur's seeker, that would reduce the time which seeker effectively guided to the target. Thinking of Orka sized capsule, 4 Sungurs may be deployed to the surface and each seeker may cover 90 degrees to cover a panoramic view and then set a way point for each missile towards a target (locking individually before launch).

The question here would be the automation and control of the submarine, could be resolved with an IFF antenna on the aforementioned capsule and set an A2D zone for helicopters, ie. setting the submarine to stay at an area with the capsule deployed.

*speaking of this, if the capsule is capable of cooling all Sungur's carried simultaneousiy and able to make use of sensor this could yield to a new look-and-shoot concept.
 
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So that’s what happened to it. Mk46 is a venerable beast and is probably enough for our all needs. But in a world where Dzkk will operate in all seas and near oceans, and with the hopefully soon to be enlarged “fleet air arm” in more ASW helicopters, one thinks cutting the dependence on US in such strategic weapons should be a priority. We made Akya, we should be able to make an Orka Mk II as well.
I think ORKA comes more challenging here, they want to attain higher speeds, more automation (since the torpedo is on its on following the launch unlike AKYA which can be set with a fiber-optic cable) and faces more limitations (to be carried by helicopters and endure splash downs and stay at certain dimension limits) and also for the depths which the torpedo should be able to follow. I think they are also foreseeing a winged use with drones on latter stages so they try to make it all fit.

Also the pump-jet propulsion is rather new to Roketsan and Turkey in overall, it takes time and experimentation to understand how that would work.
 

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After the death of the “legendary” missile cruiser “Moskva”, the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and twenty other ships, the Russians began to hide the remaining their troughs in distant ports - Novorossiysk, Kerch, Ochamchira. They transported at least three MRKs (small missile ships) from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea.
The situation with the protection of four submarines was more complicated. After the submarine was damaged by a missile attack at the port, the Russians decided to hide them. But where?
And now it has become clear: the submarines of the «famous» Red Banner Black Sea Fleet of Russia are hidden in a half-submerged state, which is considered a disgrace among the “real sea wolves” that Russian sailors considered themselves to be... in peacetime.
What should they do?!
Where to go?!
They would be happy to withdraw the entire fleet through the Istanbul Strait to avoid its complete destruction.
But!!! Who will let them in?! ;)
I would not be surprised if by the end of the war the Russians are left without a fleet in the Black Sea. It is possible that the Russians themselves will sink the remaining ships, as happened during the Crimean War.
Even if they don't sink, the war is over for the "glorious" Russian Black Sea Fleet. It ended in unprecedented disgrace.
Nowhere has Russia’s “unfading maritime glory” sank as deeply as in the Black Sea :)

 
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İt appears Dearsan has belonged to Aziz Başkan since 2013!
İ didn't know that.interesting what a coincidence company was called Dearsan.

Aziz Yıldırım was complaining: he hasn't made contract with TN while he exports 45 country ships. ( Tuzla class were made before 2013)
 

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İt appears Dearsan has belonged to Aziz Başkan since 2013!
İ didn't know that.interesting what a coincidence company was called Dearsan.

Aziz Yıldırım was complaining: he hasn't made contract with TN while he exports 45 country ships. ( Tuzla class were made before 2013)
Is this Aziz guy and the government on bad terms? If so, why?

Is that why TN is not interested in Dearsan's F-142 Frigate?
 

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İt appears Dearsan has belonged to Aziz Başkan since 2013!
İ didn't know that.interesting what a coincidence company was called Dearsan.

Aziz Yıldırım was complaining: he hasn't made contract with TN while he exports 45 country ships. ( Tuzla class were made before 2013)
We may recall what projects has been present and given to private shipyards and which of them could have been secured (technically) by Dearsan from 2013-2023. I don't have a complete list.
 

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All in all the shipyard has an enormous income, profit or deposit. I wouldn't be surprised to see him acquiring another shipyard for a larger project.
I hope Turkish navy order more bigger frigates from dearsan
 

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