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Orka (Aselsan's first prototype that now serves as training torpedo).
So that’s what happened to it. Mk46 is a venerable beast and is probably enough for our all needs. But in a world where Dzkk will operate in all seas and near oceans, and with the hopefully soon to be enlarged “fleet air arm” in more ASW helicopters, one thinks cutting the dependence on US in such strategic weapons should be a priority. We made Akya, we should be able to make an Orka Mk II as well.
 

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Would it be possible or realistic to equip AUVs or UUVs with SUNGUR and use them against Helicopters in the Aegean Sea?
As long as it can be launched without surfacing then yes. Practically, if deployed via fiber-optics, the AUV-UUV could make use of seeker's data to quick-look instead of deploying a periscope. But due to the cooled nature* of Sungur's seeker, that would reduce the time which seeker effectively guided to the target. Thinking of Orka sized capsule, 4 Sungurs may be deployed to the surface and each seeker may cover 90 degrees to cover a panoramic view and then set a way point for each missile towards a target (locking individually before launch).

The question here would be the automation and control of the submarine, could be resolved with an IFF antenna on the aforementioned capsule and set an A2D zone for helicopters, ie. setting the submarine to stay at an area with the capsule deployed.

*speaking of this, if the capsule is capable of cooling all Sungur's carried simultaneousiy and able to make use of sensor this could yield to a new look-and-shoot concept.
 
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So that’s what happened to it. Mk46 is a venerable beast and is probably enough for our all needs. But in a world where Dzkk will operate in all seas and near oceans, and with the hopefully soon to be enlarged “fleet air arm” in more ASW helicopters, one thinks cutting the dependence on US in such strategic weapons should be a priority. We made Akya, we should be able to make an Orka Mk II as well.
I think ORKA comes more challenging here, they want to attain higher speeds, more automation (since the torpedo is on its on following the launch unlike AKYA which can be set with a fiber-optic cable) and faces more limitations (to be carried by helicopters and endure splash downs and stay at certain dimension limits) and also for the depths which the torpedo should be able to follow. I think they are also foreseeing a winged use with drones on latter stages so they try to make it all fit.

Also the pump-jet propulsion is rather new to Roketsan and Turkey in overall, it takes time and experimentation to understand how that would work.
 

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After the death of the “legendary” missile cruiser “Moskva”, the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and twenty other ships, the Russians began to hide the remaining their troughs in distant ports - Novorossiysk, Kerch, Ochamchira. They transported at least three MRKs (small missile ships) from the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea.
The situation with the protection of four submarines was more complicated. After the submarine was damaged by a missile attack at the port, the Russians decided to hide them. But where?
And now it has become clear: the submarines of the «famous» Red Banner Black Sea Fleet of Russia are hidden in a half-submerged state, which is considered a disgrace among the “real sea wolves” that Russian sailors considered themselves to be... in peacetime.
What should they do?!
Where to go?!
They would be happy to withdraw the entire fleet through the Istanbul Strait to avoid its complete destruction.
But!!! Who will let them in?! ;)
I would not be surprised if by the end of the war the Russians are left without a fleet in the Black Sea. It is possible that the Russians themselves will sink the remaining ships, as happened during the Crimean War.
Even if they don't sink, the war is over for the "glorious" Russian Black Sea Fleet. It ended in unprecedented disgrace.
Nowhere has Russia’s “unfading maritime glory” sank as deeply as in the Black Sea :)

 
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İt appears Dearsan has belonged to Aziz Başkan since 2013!
İ didn't know that.interesting what a coincidence company was called Dearsan.

Aziz Yıldırım was complaining: he hasn't made contract with TN while he exports 45 country ships. ( Tuzla class were made before 2013)
 

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İt appears Dearsan has belonged to Aziz Başkan since 2013!
İ didn't know that.interesting what a coincidence company was called Dearsan.

Aziz Yıldırım was complaining: he hasn't made contract with TN while he exports 45 country ships. ( Tuzla class were made before 2013)
Is this Aziz guy and the government on bad terms? If so, why?

Is that why TN is not interested in Dearsan's F-142 Frigate?
 

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@Anmdt

İt appears Dearsan has belonged to Aziz Başkan since 2013!
İ didn't know that.interesting what a coincidence company was called Dearsan.

Aziz Yıldırım was complaining: he hasn't made contract with TN while he exports 45 country ships. ( Tuzla class were made before 2013)
We may recall what projects has been present and given to private shipyards and which of them could have been secured (technically) by Dearsan from 2013-2023. I don't have a complete list.
 

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All in all the shipyard has an enormous income, profit or deposit. I wouldn't be surprised to see him acquiring another shipyard for a larger project.
I hope Turkish navy order more bigger frigates from dearsan
 

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The I-Class Frigate programme is proceeding with the second batch of the 4 ships, after the 9th and 10th ships’ keels have been laid and first steel cuttings have been performed at Sedef shipyards.
The F515, as Milgem 5 ship is now finished and joined the fleet, and F516 to F518 are being produced at the same time in three different shipyards.
Recently it was decided to add 4 more I-Class frigates to the naval force. First two of these four ships are now physically in production.

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Let’s hope that the work on the next 2 ships are started soon too.
More importantly, the work on the Reis Class also is not delayed any further.

Once completed these ships and submarines will be the backbone of our modern navy.
 

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The I-Class Frigate programme is proceeding with the second batch of the 4 ships, after the 9th and 10th ships’ keels have been laid and first steel cuttings have been performed at Sedef shipyards.
The F515, as Milgem 5 ship is now finished and joined the fleet, and F516 to F518 are being produced at the same time in three different shipyards.
Recently it was decided to add 4 more I-Class frigates to the naval force. First two of these four ships are now physically in production.

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Let’s hope that the work on the next 2 ships are started soon too.
More importantly, the work on the Reis Class also is not delayed any further.

Once completed these ships and submarines will be the backbone of our modern navy.
So all I class may be delivered by 2028? That's nice
 
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So all I class may be delivered by 2028? That's nice
The goal is probably to deliver all I-Class by 2028-2030 and then start production of the first TF-2000 destroyer.
I'm still expectin a design by the Navy to slot in between the I-Class (3100 Tonnes) and the TF-2000 (8000-8500 Tonnes)

5000-6000 tonnes design with 6-8 ships to supplement the fleet is necessary imo.
You could split the class between AAW and ASW or just do Multirole for all.

It is up in the air if we will truly see 8 TF-2000 to replace all 8 Gabya ships, I dont believe so honestly.

So maybe going

4+2 TF-2000 ----> partly replacing Gabya
6+2 5000-6000 tonnes design split AAW and ASW or straight Multirole depending on needs---->partly replacing Gabya with the AAW compartment and adding to the fleet
8 I-Class Frigates ---> replacing all Yavuz and Barbaros ships
4 Ada-Class Corvettes
10 Hisar OPV ---> some fully armed most FFBNW
Unknown numbers of new FAC


I'm honestly afraid they will shrink the fleet due to budget problems or keep it at the same number by going ship for ship.
With you much more active the Navy is I truly hope they find the money to expand it. Or else all our endeavors are for naught if we can't actually back them up with credible presence.

But these are just my hopes. Everything can change depending on how the economy goes the next couple years.
 

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Oh no, TF2000 first hull shouldn't wait Istif, hopefully we can start construction before 2025.
 

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Oh no, TF2000 first hull shouldn't wait Istif, hopefully we can start construction before 2025.

I think all shipyards are full right now. Maybe the Istanbul Naval yard could start production but who knows.

@Anmdt is way better versed in this stuff, I'm just writing my hopes and ideas here :) But I think he too said we won't see production start until the end of this decade, there also was a article a couple months ago I linked here that pretty much stated the same.

Who knows what the plans currently are with the AC project thrown into the mix.

I think one reason was that CAFRAD will be ready in 2028 or later.
 

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