News Turkish President Erdogan again makes reference to Kashmir in UNGA address

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If I were to respond you won't be able to take the heat and start crying to the mods and saying forum violation yada yada don't throw stone when you live in a house glass. I will leave you with that hopefully the mods will deal with you and revoke your mod status

Lol. If only Jinnah in 48, Ayub in 65, Yahya in 71, Mushy in 99 and leg shaker Bajwa in 2019 were able to "take the heat".
 

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You can continue your off topic copypasta hissy fit somewhere else (in some other part of forum if you desire)

....... mr. "has 10 repeat accounts on PDF" (all arab + western flag BS) and "wants to start a couple more" here.

Remember your aukat, it is show on that stamp released by your kind.
Lol. @Tonil is hiding behind fake flags and is a multiple ID?
 
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Yeah I know turks ruled the indians also Mongolian-Turks also raided them etc If they are butthurt about these Its funny lol
Actually AFAIK the Turkish rule over the subcontinent was mostly in what is present day Pakistan. But then again present day Pakistan has been ruled by all and sundry - no other region is as prone to surrendering and losing wars in the subcontinent as conterminous Pakistan. Just ask Rajputs, Sikhs, Marathas, Brits, Indians, Banglas, Americans and now the Chinese.
 

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The US and the EU besides many other countries have accused China of committing genocide against the Uyghurs in resource-rich Xinjiang and called for an international probe by human rights groups.
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The reality is sadly very complicated.

The situation in Kashmir is indeed India's fault and a living and breathing monument of the country's incompetency to provide basic human rights.
Not really
It isnt the fault of each and every indian tbh
It is the fault of POLITICS! In order for Mohdi to win a second term and increase his already rock-bottom approval ratings, he needed to rile up the public so that they forget about their economic woes and what best way to do that than by instilling nationalism against a common enemy; especially those who are percieved as different than you and VOILA you have the kasmiri muslims who fit the criteria. They were used as a scapegoat by Mohdi to win the election and increase his ratings. However, as a price to that, the radical right has gained way too much power that they are now considering raping and marrying muslim women publicly as if they were just toys present to satisfy indian (non kasmiri) men. I mean even before kasmir incident, India was already among the top countries related to rape incidents of both minors and of age. This is the sad side of politics sadly
However, if I had to choose between India and Pakistan, I would select India over Pakistan in a heartbeat when it comes to security, living standards and upholding the rule of law. Me being a Muslim doesn't change the reality of India being simply in a better overall constitution.

Furthermore, as long as Pakistan supports the erasing and killing of the Uygur minority, Turkey should reserve its criticism of the Kashmir conflict solely to bilateral meetings with the Indian side behind closed doors.
As much as I dont like India, I dont like Pakistan as much as it; if not even more. However, for Turkey, Pakistan is more crucial than India. Rumors indicate that Pakistan is providing long range ballistic missile technology as well as nuclear technology to Turkey; something which India would never give as they are too controlled by the West. Apparently brotherhood and yada yada are a good pretext to get pakistan's help in many crucial areas that Turkey needs aid in. Moreover, dont forget that the railway linking Turkey to Pakistan (through Iran) will help in decreasing the cost of turkish products over its EU competitors as they will be around 10 days faster than that of the sea shipping and will help in bypassing crucial areas like the Suez which Egypt may charge exorbitant prices as a way to control Turkey
 

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<garbled CCP bot spam>

This may be the Communist line adopted the regime of Corona Xi which the gullible Chinese people buy.

Zero Kashmiris have applied for refugee status in China butlover 100,000 Chinese refugees have begged for one in India.
 
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Of course there wouldn't be any homeless people. There are very 'comfortable re-education' houses built for them. shooo go troll somewhere else.
 
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Lol. @Tonil is hiding behind fake flags and is a multiple ID?

Honestly don't know (for sure) and don't really care....call it a strong hunch though.

There is whole carefully grown and flourishing ecosystem at PDF of larpers, invariably with gulfie and/or western flags and some dumb name to accompany it.

They all sound the same....some are obviously the same person....then they come here "already knowing me" (but they are "new") etc...as though that isn't some low-IQ giveaway off the bat.

The other giveaway is always their fascination with ghazwa-e-hind, hating in whatever combo and intensity of India/West/Israel/Non-muslim world.... and hyper-ventilating salafi puritan blah blah related cringe in general... and putting down infidels and pagans (all because actual reality is stone cold now).

All at same time they are "qatari" or "emirati" so nothing needs to stick from the likelier real identity. (I guess Saudis attract too much flak lately for them).

I mean it could be some gulfie mental case from there too with nothing better to do (and got hooked on the PDF larp culture)....its all shakes down to same thing in the end anyway.

They have ton of accounts all feeding off each other and reactivating when one gets "banned"....in some tag team circle jerk last I checked.

But the language is all copypasta monolithic....like a psych ward sounds echoing. Jihadi version of wumao ward I suppose.

The CCP bot guy (with the copy paste garbled blah blah) I will give a later reply to here.....another one that seems to not get the message about this subforum tolerance of his BS.

Had to remove your terminology "rat"....as that is ad-hominem to all rat species.
 

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Honestly don't know (for sure) and don't really care....call it a strong hunch though.

There is whole carefully grown and flourishing ecosystem at PDF of larpers, invariably with gulfie and/or western flags and some dumb name to accompany it.

They all sound the same....some are obviously the same person....then they come here "already knowing me" (but they are "new") etc...as though that isn't some low-IQ giveaway off the bat.

The other giveaway is always their fascination with ghazwa-e-hind, hating in whatever combo and intensity of India/West/Israel/Non-muslim world.... and hyper-ventilating salafi puritan blah blah related cringe in general... and putting down infidels and pagans (all because actual reality is stone cold now).

All at same time they are "qatari" or "emirati" so nothing needs to stick from the likelier real identity. (I guess Saudis attract too much flak lately for them).

I mean it could be some gulfie mental case from there too with nothing better to do (and got hooked on the PDF larp culture)....its all shakes down to same thing in the end anyway.

They have ton of accounts all feeding off each other and reactivating when one gets "banned"....in some tag team circle jerk last I checked.

But the language is all copypasta monolithic....like a psych ward sounds echoing. Jihadi version of wumao ward I suppose.

The CCP bot guy (with the copy paste garbled blah blah) I will give a later reply to here.....another one that seems to not get the message about this subforum tolerance of his BS.

Had to remove your terminology "rat"....as that is ad-hominem to all rat species.

Ah, that explains a lot.
 

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The reality is sadly very complicated.

The situation in Kashmir is indeed India's fault and a living and breathing monument of the country's incompetency to provide basic human rights.

However, if I had to choose between India and Pakistan, I would select India over Pakistan in a heartbeat when it comes to security, living standards and upholding the rule of law. Me being a Muslim doesn't change the reality of India being simply in a better overall constitution.

Furthermore, as long as Pakistan supports the erasing and killing of the Uygur minority, Turkey should reserve its criticism of the Kashmir conflict solely to bilateral meetings with the Indian side behind closed doors.

Fair enough - though I must say that if India were to withdraw forces from Kashmir (as per what Pakistan demands), there is very little stopping Kashmir from devolving into another Afghanistan post-US withdrawal. Radicalism is a real threat - and is there a history of such in this place, where all non-Muslims were persecuted, subjected to geocide and/or ethnically cleansed as late as the 90s. That was the civil war/insurgency that brought Indian forces into the valley in the first place.

End of the day, Afghanistan is not a US territory and they could pick & leave whenever they please, only thing they had to lose was face. But as India considers this as its sovereign territory (and rightfully so, as the erstwhile Monarch of the land acceded his Kingdom to the Republic of India), leaving is not an option for us.

As much as I dont like India, I dont like Pakistan as much as it; if not even more. However, for Turkey, Pakistan is more crucial than India. Rumors indicate that Pakistan is providing long range ballistic missile technology as well as nuclear technology to Turkey; something which India would never give as they are too controlled by the West.

Ah, I see - the same carrot Pakistan showed to the Saudis for over 20 years, took billions as aid/grants, and gave zilch in return.

Two things:

1) Pakistan's nuke or missile technology is not Pakistan's, but Chinese. Even if one thinks Pakistan can act as a conduit for Chinese tech to flow to a third party...

2) ...why would Pakistan let that happen? You must look at it from Pakistani perspective: What does Pakistan have?

It is not sitting on immense Oil wealth like the Gulf states, it does not have a relatively large diversified economy like Turkey at least, neither does it have immense influence over either of the two main Islamic sects (like Saudi has over Sunnis or like Iran has over Shias). The ONLY thing Pakistan has is the "Bomb". It's only claim to fame among the Muslim world is simply that its the only Islamic country with nuclear weapons.

Why would it want to dilute its unique position by giving away the 'Bomb' to a stronger economy like Turkey? If anything Pakistan might be more comfortable with Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, as this will terrify the Sunni countries and likely increase Pakistan's importance among them....but by giving away the Nuke to a Sunni state like Turkey, Pakistan has very little to gain - but everything to lose.

They will milk Turkey like they milked the Saudis for money. From Turkey, they might seek other things - like a route to acquire Western technologies as Turkey has been NATO member for long. But I suspect they will run out of things to milk far sooner than was the case with Saudi due to Turkey's worsening relations with the US, not to mention CAATSA and all that.
 

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This is the Indian section. It is the Indian members and mods that will decide here what is on and off topic.

Pakistani members can present their highlight reel in their section of the forum or in the already existing threads they have created in number of areas on whatever "India bad!" topic.

The reply from a troll that was being responded to can be seen left in the quote in #6 for reference as to why the hypocrisy from that had to be illustrated efficiently.
 
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