TR Propulsion Systems

[Merzifonlu]

I don't know. He didn't give much detail.

Ok, thank you.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

(Turkish) but @Turan Oguz summarized the ongoing engine development efforts very well.

 

[Combat-Master]

TEI Programs Director Ahmet Kain:
"In TEI-PD170, our domestic contribution rate has exceeded 90%. Aluminum alloy engine block, turbo systems, gearbox, alternator, etc. they are all local. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1391031037371748354

 

[Zafer]

TEI Programs Director Ahmet Kain:
"In TEI-PD170, our domestic contribution rate has exceeded 90%. Aluminum alloy engine block, turbo systems, gearbox, alternator, etc. they are all local. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1391031037371748354

Just recently they announced 98% domestic rating and now they are not lying by saying +90%, they are ust not being precise.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Just recently they announced 98% domestic rating and now they are not lying by saying +90%, they are ust not being precise.

It is becoming tedious to hear 70%, 90% etc% domestic crap!
If an equipment is produced in Turkey without the need to import it’s major constituent parts then it is domestically produced. Any locally sourced domestic or foreign produced parts, if are not and will not be subject to restriction for supply, it doesn’t matter where those parts come from.
Also when mounted on, those parts should not carry labels. Then who cares how much of it is domestically produced?
It is unprofessional to leave labels on outsourced parts. TB2 crashes down in Karabagh; Armenians find out which parts are sourced from UK and Canada and pressurise the companies that produce the parts, not to supply to Turkey.
We are producing a Turkish made TB2. No one needs to know if Aselsan Cats or Wescam is being used. Now some Arab country is buying it’s own Wescam from the Canadians in place of our Cats for the TB2’s they are to receive. Aselsan is losing out on that.

 

[Bogeyman]

TEI made its first trademark application for the turbofan engine on 5 May as the TF-6000.

Türk Patent Çevrimiçi Araştırma Uygulaması | Hoşgeldiniz...

online.turkpatent.gov.tr

In the biography of an engineer who worked at TEI, the project he worked on was described as follows.

 Centrifugal Compressor, Axial Compressor and Axial Fan Aerodynamic Design of Turbofan(TFX & TF6000), Turbojet(TJ300 and TJ90) and Turboshaft (TS1400)

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yavuz-selim-mehel-b0a85943/?originalSubdomain=tr

 

[Combat-Master]

TEI made its first trademark application for the turbofan engine on 5 May as the TF-6000.

Türk Patent Çevrimiçi Araştırma Uygulaması | Hoşgeldiniz...

online.turkpatent.gov.tr

In the biography of an engineer who worked at TEI, the project he worked on was described as follows.

 Centrifugal Compressor, Axial Compressor and Axial Fan Aerodynamic Design of Turbofan(TFX & TF6000), Turbojet(TJ300 and TJ90) and Turboshaft (TS1400)

https://www.linkedin.com/in/yavuz-selim-mehel-b0a85943/?originalSubdomain=tr

So can we separate the two projects between TFX Turbofan engine studies and TF6000?

Would 6000 in TF6000 be the thrust in lbs ?
If so, we could expect engine similar to Adour Mk 106 which has 6,000 lb (27.0 KN) dry / 8,430 lb (37.5 KN) with reheat

 

[Anmdt]

So can we separate the two projects between TFX Turbofan engine studies and TF6000?

Would 6000 in TF6000 be the thrust in lbs ?
If so, we could expect engine similar to Adour Mk 106 which has 6,000 lb (27.0 KN) dry / 8,430 lb (37.5 KN) with reheat

Either in kN or lbf, it sounds more of an UAV engine (Considering name of Goksungur was already spilled along with a time to be operational). This rather sounds like a project to be completed in short time, thus they have patented /labelled the product's name.

Hurkus/TFX neither of them uses an engine in this league. (Correct me if i am wrong)

 

[Tsenal]

Either in kN or lbf, it sounds more of an UAV engine (Considering name of Goksungur was already spilled along with a time to be operational). This rather sounds like a project to be completed in short time, thus they have patented /labelled the product's name.

Hurkus/TFX neither of them uses an engine in this league. (Correct me if i am wrong)

Possibly the APU.

 

[TheInsider]

No, it is not an APU. TF is for TurboFan. It is a turbofan engine but we don't know if 6000(it is a base minimum value) stands for lbs or N. If it stands for lbs then this is an engine for TF-X, otherwise, it might be a turbofan version of TS-1400.

 

[Cypro]

Possibly the APU.

All TEI jet engines are named after their lbf values TJ90 TJ300.. Therefore could be 6000 lbf turbofan like the ones in business jets (like PW300,F124) It is too big for an APU role. Might be developed from TS1400. Engine at this size could power an Jet engine UAV or twin engine trainer. First I thought may be also for a big cruise missile but still too big for Gezgin.

 

[Philip the Arab]

First I thought may be also for a big cruise missile but still too big for Gezgin.

Engines for even large cruise missiles are way smaller, Tomahawk uses a 2.7kn engine iirc.

 

[Cypro]

Engines for even large cruise missiles are way smaller, Tomahawk uses a 2.7kn engine iirc.

Definitely too big for Gezgin, it will use AL-35 but still you can built an intercontinental cruise missile, found SM-62 Snark (was using 10000 lbf engine) as example, historic example but nowadays hypersonic cruise missiles for that range is more logical. As mentioned I think it is directly converted from TS1400.. If they have chosen twin engine hurjet, it could power a trainer (like M-346) .

 

[TheInsider]

All TEI jet engines are named after their lbf values TJ90 TJ300.. Therefore could be 6000 lbf turbofan like the ones in business jets (like PW300) It is too big for an APU role. Might be developed from TS1400. Engine at this size could power an Jet engine UAV or twin engine trainer. First I thought may be also for a big cruise missile but still too big for Gezgin.

Not all. TS-1400 is not named after its lbf value. But I agree with you. 6000 probably stands for lbf.

 

[dustdevil]

Don't know what it is but designing slightly bigger engines before MMU sized engines are more logical.

6000 lbf -> ~2700kgf

i.e. Baykar MİUS is 3.5 tons.

T/W of it will be ~ 0.77, not bad for a general purpose combat drone, Baykar or TUSAŞ drone.

For air-air task a lighter drone can also use it.

It can be used for F-5 sized aircraft if it fits...

Any new design is good, whatever the size and thrust, as we have many gaps in our range of domestic engines....

 

[Cypro]

Not all. TS-1400 is not named after its lbf value. But I agree with you. 6000 probably stands for lbf.

It looks like TS (Turbo Shaft) TJ (Turbo Jet) so TS1400 probably named after shp value(1,400 shp), TP (Turboprop) PD (piston, diesel?) PG (Piston Gasoline) (hp values) and TF6000 (Turbofan 6000)

 

[Hexciter]

All TEI jet engines are named after their lbf values TJ90 TJ300.. Therefore could be 6000 lbf turbofan like the ones in business jets (like PW300,F124) It is too big for an APU role. Might be developed from TS1400. Engine at this size could power an Jet engine UAV or twin engine trainer. First I thought may be also for a big cruise missile but still too big for Gezgin.

Then it means TAI entering business jet job via Gulfstream G200 (aka the Gulfstream’s 1st product) like product.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Definitely too big for Gezgin, it will use AL-25 (1140 lbf) but still you can built an intercontinental cruise missile, found SM-62 Snark (was using 10000 lbf engine) as example, historic example but nowadays hypersonic cruise missiles for that range is more logical. As mentioned I think it is directly converted from TS1400.. If they have chosen twin engine hurjet, it could power a trainer (like M-346) .

What is Gezgin weight? AL-25 seems like it has a lot of thrust even compared to MDCN, and the Kalibr cruise missile engines.

 

[Cypro]

What is Gezgin weight? AL-25 seems like it has a lot of thrust even compared to MDCN, and the Kalibr cruise missile engines.

I made a typo sorry, I think it should be AL35 (c4defence says so) or AI-305 (under development) , probably less powered than AL25. I don't know the size and weight but fellow forum members could inform us. I am guessing it is directly similar to Tomahawk and could fit in Mark 41 VLS. So engine range would be between 600 to 1000 lbf, less than AL25

 

[Cabatli_TR]

6000 probably stands for lbf and a turbofan in this scale will generate enough thrust power for a fighter drone that will have a MTOW around 5500-6000kg. Baykar will use Ukrainian turbofan for unmanned fighter jet program and most likely, they will be manufactured by BlackSea Shield JV institute in Turkey so I think TF6000 is being developed for TAI's fighter drone program.