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[Stuka]

I also think that way. There might be some subsystems in the logistic chain which is coming from sources that might create discontent if the military side of the projects is mentioned/expressed.

As you have said earlier about the Project target being 2nd half 2023 for BATU 1500HP, this has been confirmed officially as well.

from April 28th BMC POWER:

Current:

 

[Hexciter]

As you have said earlier about the Project target being 2nd half 2023 for BATU 1500HP, this has been confirmed officially as well.

from April 28th BMC POWER:

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Current:

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“Intended to power marine vehicles & generators.”
Lol

 

[Stuka]

“Intended to power marine vehicles & generators.”
Lol

"Intended only for Peaceful projects and humanitarian support and certainly not a 65Ton asphalt shattering and hideouts decimating War machine"

> I am wondering if they are going to change the name of the Brand altogether when Serial Production of TTZA and AZRA starts likely around 4th Quarter 2021, like with TRMOTOR and TEI

> Where is the Factory for Serial Production anyways. BMC Arifiye Plant ?

 

[TheInsider]

I don't think a factory is needed. Nearly all of the parts will be distributed to different Turkish subcontractors aka Yan Sanayi. So what BMC needs is a final assembly line. BTW IP rights of the engines belong to SSB, not BMC(excluding 600hp engine).

 

[Stuka]

I don't think a factory is needed. Nearly all of the parts will be distributed to different Turkish subcontractors aka Yan Sanayi. So what BMC needs is a final assembly line. BTW IP rights of the engines belong to SSB, not BMC(excluding 600hp engine).

Yeah. Lets see when they can deliver Vuran with TTZA Engine, even though the question of Transmission for 400/600 HP remains.
Tümosan hasn't been advertising there Engines at all which seems interesting since they are developing from 155HP up to 1000HP, Including Transmissions. Perhaps SSB is going for BMC Power for future procurements to simplify logistics.

 

[Siper>MMU]

 

[TheInsider]

Yeah. Lets see when they can deliver Vuran with TTZA Engine, even though the question of Transmission for 400/600 HP remains.
Tümosan hasn't been advertising there Engines at all which seems interesting since they are developing from 155HP up to 1000HP, Including Transmissions. Perhaps SSB is going for BMC Power for future procurements to simplify logistics.

BMC can use Tümosan transmission for its 600hp engine.

 

[neosinan]

BMC can use Tümosan transmission for its 600hp engine.

BMC can also use Tümosan as main subcontractor for most casting jobs. They have probably best suited facilities for mass production casting jobs but they need to improve quality of their process first.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The dynamometer tests of the 1000 and 1500 HP engines with the original design, developed by BMCPower, continue. 1000Hp cross drive transmission successfully worked. Production of the 1500 HP transmission, the design of which has been completed, and on-board tests of the 380 and 600 HP engines continue.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399809470948052995

 

[Stuka]

BMC can use Tümosan transmission for its 600hp engine.

Is it ready ?

That would be a win win, since both would be financed that way, for future Research and Development Projects.

 

[TheInsider]

Probably. It doesn't matter at that HP range you can find a crapload of transmission from the market without issues.

 

[Siper>MMU]

 

[Bogeyman]

At KTU, researchers complete 80 percent of' Super magnet ' production

Karadeniz Technical University (KTU) in the research group conducted within the scope of magnetic materials, Neodymium super strong magnet in the sector called electromagnetic (Nd), iron (Fe) and boron (B) obtained from the component of the production of NdFeB magnets 80 percent completed.

KTU Faculty of Engineering Department of Metallurgy and Materials Engineering Professor Dr. Sultan Ozturk told AA correspondent that they have been studying magnetic materials for about 15 years.

Ozturk, who is also responsible for the Magnetic Materials Research Group, stated that they continue their work with undergraduate, master and doctoral theses from the university, research support from TUBITAK and the National boron Research Institute.

Öztürk stated that they have achieved remarkable, promising results thanks to years of experience, developing technology and infrastructure investments, and that the team of 7 people has been continuing the work continuously to finalize the research.

Ozturk, pointing out that they are working on three groups of materials, said: "for many years, we have been working on a magnet based on neodium, iron and boron, the name of which is mentioned in the market as a super magnet. The second group of material we produce is strontium hexaferrite based, that is, ceramic magnets. In the third group, we continue to work on the FE-B-based strip, which is also used as a sensor material." said.

Super magnet, a very strong type of magnet, the name of which comes from here emphasizing Öztürk, " these magnets have a history dating back to 1984, since the date of discovery is a magnet that has been constantly developed. A magnet with elements of iron, neodium, boron. As far as I know, we do not produce it in Turkey, we use it by importing it. One of the reasons why this does not happen is that the raw material is not in Turkey. We have about $ 30 million a year in imports., "he said.

Ozturk noted that the automotive sector is at the beginning of the use of super-strong magnets, saying: "these are very strong magnets. Especially in engines, especially in electric car engines, which are currently on the agenda Dec. It is used in generators and applications requiring large torque. So these are important magnets."used the phrase.

"We're past the hard part"

Describing that they produce magnet powder as the first stage in production, Öztürk made the following assessment:

"The most important element in this magnet, the neodium element, is extremely reactive, that is, an oxidized element affected by air. An element that deteriorates from contact with a small air, so the production of this magnet requires some high-tech devices. The production of this magnet must be in a specially tuned area that we call a controlled atmosphere. The method we use in production is Powder Metallurgy method. The process applied here is to first produce the powder of this magnet. We have to produce this without oxide, bright, we have achieved this."

Ozturk noted that the second stage is the processing of the obtained substance in a controlled atmosphere to reach a certain powder size.:

"It needs to be reduced to 3-5 microns by grinding in a controlled heat environment; we also made it. Then it needs to be pressed, shaped under a magnetic field. Here we are at the stage where there should be binding between the powders, which we call sintering, which is this final stage. This, in turn, is a process that must be done in a controlled atmosphere and there must be some processes. We're past the hard part. We have achieved approximately 80 percent of the production of the Super magnet. We have reached the final stage, our work continues, I have no doubt that we will succeed."

Ozturk, who believes that producing a super magnet will make a great contribution to Turkey, said: "the Super magnet is used in many medical devices. From the MRI machine to the generators, to the automobile engines. Especially if Turkey produces its own car, the need for these magnets will increase more. Because as our production gets richer, as we diversify, our need will increase."used the phrase.

Öztürk emphasized that production parameters were put forward and said, "industrialists who are interested in this issue, private sector organizations take them, we cooperate, produce them. And we'd be very proud of that., "he said.

KTÜ'de araştırmacılar 'süper mıknatıs' üretiminin yüzde 80'ini tamamladı

KTÜ Manyetik Malzemeler Araştırma Grubu, elektrikli otomobil, rüzgar türbinleri, jeneratör ve MR gibi birçok araç gerecin motorunda kullanılan süper güçlü elektromanyetik mıknatısın üretiminde son aşamaya geçti. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Saithan]

Prof. Dr. Demir Duyurdu, Utku’da Yeni Gelişme - C4 Defence

Yeni nesil zırhlı araçların palet grubunda ve Fırtına obüsünde kullanılacak Utku güç grubunda ilk çapraz transmisyon ve motor çalıştırıldı.

www.c4defence.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399671961672982528

Prof. Dr. Demir Duyurdu, Utku’da Yeni Gelişme - C4 Defence

Yeni nesil zırhlı araçların palet grubunda ve Fırtına obüsünde kullanılacak Utku güç grubunda ilk çapraz transmisyon ve motor çalıştırıldı.

www.c4defence.com

if people wants to read up on it in Turkish

 

[Stuka]

https://twitter.com/KubilaiH

Although it is said that the UTKU Power Group, consisting of a 1,000hp diesel engine and automatic transmission, can be used in FIRTINA-II K/M Howitzers,
It is evaluated that the new power group developed for howitzers will consist of a new 1,200hp diesel engine to be supplied from Ukraine and an Allison product X1100-5A3 transmission

For this need, an MoU was signed between CAT UK and MSB during the IDEF '19 Fair, but if I remember correctly, Ukraine offered a more attractive price, and then Turkey continued with Ukraine for the need.

Interestingly, it is considered that the new power group can only be used in the FIRTINA-IIs, whose mass production has started, as of 2022, but which power group will be used in the Howitzers during this time?
Given Germany's current embargo, As in the first 3 FIRTINA-II howitzers equipped with backup power groups, FIRTINA-I power group with a capacity of 1,000 hp should be used in other new production howitzers until the new power group is ready."

It is likely the 6TD-2E Engine, Designed for use as a powerplant of the Oplot main battle tank.

Powerpack

Application

 

[Philips]

Wish TRMotor all the luck. They are aiming for a F110-GE-132 equivalent. With TEI+Tubitak-MAM+Gür metal they should be able to design and produce HPT blades withstanding at least 1400-1500 degrees continuously for an -129/132 equivalent. They managed 1300 degrees continuously with the TS1400 HPT blades, and are working on 1450 degrees if I am right.

 

[Turko]

Wish TRMotor all the luck. They are aiming for a F110-GE-132 equivalent. With TEI+Tubitak-MAM+Gür metal they should be able to design and produce HPT blades withstanding at least 1400-1500 degrees continuously for an -129/132 equivalent. They managed 1300 degrees continuously with the TS1400 HPT blades, and are working on 1450 degrees if I am right.

Philips great nick and avatar

 

[Saithan]

I hope that We’ll continue producing Firtina - 1 and go with UTKU. It’s domestic and should be used and combat tested so we can export if necessary.

 

[Stuka]

I hope that We’ll continue producing Firtina - 1 and go with UTKU. It’s domestic and should be used and combat tested so we can export if necessary.

They announced 3 Firtina 2s in January 2021 and added that 3 more will be delivered until June 2021.

TSK envanterine 140 adet Fırtına 2 alınacak

Milli Savunma Bakan Yardımcısı Muhsin Dere, 2022-2027 yılları arasında Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'nin envanterine 140 adet "T-155 Fırtına 2 Obüsü" alınacağının müjdesini verdi.

www.yeniakit.com.tr

Muhsin Dere, Deputy Minister of National Defense:
"In Cooperation with BMC Defense Inc. We plan to take 140 T-155 Self-Propelled Storm Howitzers into the inventory between 2022-2027."
"The production of 3 New Generation Storm Howitzers was completed in December 2020, and it is anticipated that 3 more will be completed by June 2021."
> Production Line will start again some time in 2022.

The Ukrainian Power pack will be ready in 2022, the same year we projected UTKU to be ready.
Now this is a big investment which they wont be doing for 20 Firtina 2 SPH.
Quote From Kublai Han: "Sir, that cost is not incurred for 20 howitzers. R&D was being done and it was said that the engine would be ready for use in 2022, so in this respect, I don't think it's an intermediate solution"

So what will happen to UTKU ?
Perhaps Army wants to use a proven Engine until UTKU matures a little. But are they going to use 3 different Engines ? That would be a logistical Nightmare.

 

[Anmdt]

So what will happen to UTKU ?
Perhaps Army wants to use a proven Engine until UTKU matures a little. But are they going to use 3 different Engines ? That would be a logistical Nightmare.

Consider it as a burden to be beared until national engines are being common and ready. Eventually all platforms would be upgrade with local engine (at least we can hope so)