TR Propulsion Systems

[Anmdt]

What does it mean "iki zamanli" ?

2-stroke.

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1468455315586830338

They overlooked the paramotor engines of Alida motors.
The company had even renewed its website.

Ana Sayfa - Alida Motor

ALİDA MOTOR Motor gruplarımızı görmek için tıklayınız ALİDA FAN Fan gruplarımızı görmek için tıklayınız

alida.com.tr

 

[Anmdt]

They overlooked the paramotor engines of Alida motors.
The company had even renewed its website.

Ana Sayfa - Alida Motor

ALİDA MOTOR Motor gruplarımızı görmek için tıklayınız ALİDA FAN Fan gruplarımızı görmek için tıklayınız

alida.com.tr

TEI shouldn't even be bothered by this project at first place but they have been because nobody else did.

 

[Zafer]

TEI shouldn't even be bothered by this project at first place but they have been because nobody else did.

Other companies do not have the vision of the possibly high numbers of demand for such a product and they do not want to spend RD money on it. But 50 hp is the magic number for single seat airplanes.

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Yasar_TR]

Hulusi Akar: Yerli motorlar üretilmiş olup test faaliyetleri sürmekte

Millî Savunma Bakanı Hulusi Akar, TBMM Genel Kurulu’nda yaptığı konuşmada yerli motorların test faaliyetlerinin sürdüğünü belirtti

www.defenceturk.net

Interesting speech by the defence minister.
I would usually take what he says with a pinch of salt. But one can not help but elaborate on what he has been saying when it contains vital bit of information pertaining to our defence industry.

quote:
Taktik tekerlekli zırhlı araçlar, Fırtına Obüsü, ALTAY Tankı, GÖKBEY ve ATAK helikopteri ile AKINCI İnsansız Hava Aracı için de yerli motorlar üretilmiş olup test faaliyetleri sürmektedir
unquote.

Is he saying that Atak helicopter has an indigenous engine?
We know that Akinci can fly with PD170 engine.
Gokbey is getting ready to fly with Ts1400.
Firtina howitzer has been tried with a hybrid engine successfully. Also the Utku is quite a way in to being ready.
Altay‘s Batu engine is far from being ready. Are they going with a hybrid solution for Altay as well?

 

[Zafer]

Altay‘s Batu engine is far from being ready. Are they going with a hybrid solution for Altay as well?

Batu engine may be required to go through many more test however the tests it's already gone through may be indicating that it will do well in following tests too and that's why it may be safe to consider it a done deal. On the other hand it goes without saying that a hybrid system might be in the works as it is a trend nowadays to hybridize powertrains in the Turkish military, also there was a mention of it that MKE are working on a hybrid tank powertrain.

 

[Anmdt]

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Welcome PD-180 to the dual turbocharge (DT) league, i guess.

 

[Zafer]

There are 2 varieties of the PG50 engine: One is for unmanned aircraft and the other is general purpose.
The TEI-PG50 is the UAV model and the TEI-PG50S is the general purpose aviation model.

 

[Test7]

@Anıl ŞAHIN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1470843702356869122

 

[Brokengineer]

Welcome PD-180 to the dual turbocharge (DT) league, i guess.

Really wonder 30kft power, sfc and weight of this engine.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Özsahin from TEI: "How can we locally develop materials, subsystems and components that we consider strategic? For this, we have three or four different teams established on the basis of directorates. Their duties are to first develop technology, develop materials and process technologies, and then turn it into a product. In other words, we apply the technologies we develop to our engines. The rate of locality in the next engine we build is always higher. The most difficult subject in the defense industry is aviation. The engine is also the most difficult subject of aviation. In this context, only four or five places in the world have this technology. The dominant powers in the world in this regard are the USA, Canada, England, France, Russia and Ukraine. We are on the way to making engines with more than 10,000 (lb?) thrust. Of course, these works by TEI are seen as a threat. In this context, we encounter various obstacles."

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Özşahin : "We have come to the level where many sub-components and motors are made by adding the knowledge on top of each other. All of our additive manufacturing has been activated. We made the first super alloy forging point in Turkey. We did the casting. We make the engine control system locally. This is the brain of the engine. We make the gearbox. We are currently working on lubrication fuel systems. Engine sensors are critical. We are still working on that part now. In our next engine, our technology at the subsystem and material level is one step ahead."

 

[Cabatli_TR]

"We started mass production in the piston engine family. The development of our turboshaft engine continues. We will also have new engines in the future. When these engines meet with air platforms, our technological independence will reach a higher level.

We can now build UAVs that can patrol the world, from Kazakhstan to Morocco. And this, beyond the nationalization-localization move within the Republic of Turkey, allows nations that are tired of the dominant powers to look at us with the eyes of hope. Tired of being exploited, they seeks an alternative. Turkey will become a focal point and a center of attraction for some of the 200-odd countries in the world in 10, 20 years."

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Özşahin from TEI:

"Aviation means materials. For example, India has been trying to make engines for about 45 years. Finally they couldn't, they gave up. They even tried to get help from the French. They redesigned the engine. They said, let's give it a billion euros. But they can't. This is because the engines are very heavy. They don't have material technologies, they couldn't make their software. Therefore, this is the plane they developed Tejas, but the engine they call kaveri could never meet that plane, despite the support of the French. Again, they had to go and install GE's 404 engine. That's why the work we do at TEI is very important.

The turbine blade is single crystal, the most important technology of this engine. We did this together with TÜBİTAK. We received it, we are using it. Under normal circumstances, these Rolls Royce, GE, Safran authorities will not let you pass the facilities where single crystal turbines are produced. Because technology is hidden. Leave CAATSA, the embargo, this is a secret technology. We are doing this right now. Again, the castings of our engines for unmanned aerial vehicles; England blocked the cooperation for various reasons. We did this in a very short time, we developed it. It is now active. BAYKAR, TUSAŞ institutes are flying with those engines very frequently. The UK has a clear embargo. Germany also has a secret sanction. But we also developed that product, it is currently at the prototype stage. It will be used in our engines."

 

[Lool]

Mr Özsahin from TEI: "How can we locally develop materials, subsystems and components that we consider strategic? For this, we have three or four different teams established on the basis of directorates. Their duties are to first develop technology, develop materials and process technologies, and then turn it into a product. In other words, we apply the technologies we develop to our engines. The rate of locality in the next engine we build is always higher. The most difficult subject in the defense industry is aviation. The engine is also the most difficult subject of aviation. In this context, only four or five places in the world have this technology. The dominant powers in the world in this regard are the USA, Canada, England, France, Russia and Ukraine. We are on the way to making engines with more than 10,000 (lb?) thrust. Of course, these works by TEI are seen as a threat. In this context, we encounter various obstacles."

Mr Özşahin : "We have come to the level where many sub-components and motors are made by adding the knowledge on top of each other. All of our additive manufacturing has been activated. We made the first super alloy forging point in Turkey. We did the casting. We make the engine control system locally. This is the brain of the engine. We make the gearbox. We are currently working on lubrication fuel systems. Engine sensors are critical. We are still working on that part now. In our next engine, our technology at the subsystem and material level is one step ahead."

"We started mass production in the piston engine family. The development of our turboshaft engine continues. We will also have new engines in the future. When these engines meet with air platforms, our technological independence will reach a higher level.

We can now build UAVs that can patrol the world, from Kazakhstan to Morocco. And this, beyond the nationalization-localization move within the Republic of Turkey, allows nations that are tired of the dominant powers to look at us with the eyes of hope. Tired of being exploited, they seeks an alternative. Turkey will become a focal point and a center of attraction for some of the 200-odd countries in the world in 10, 20 years."

Mr Özşahin from TEI:

"Aviation means materials. For example, India has been trying to make engines for about 45 years. Finally they couldn't, they gave up. They even tried to get help from the French. They redesigned the engine. They said, let's give it a billion euros. But they can't. This is because the engines are very heavy. They don't have material technologies, they couldn't make their software. Therefore, this is the plane they developed Tejas, but the engine they call kaveri could never meet that plane, despite the support of the French. Again, they had to go and install GE's 404 engine. That's why the work we do at TEI is very important.

The turbine blade is single crystal, the most important technology of this engine. We did this together with TÜBİTAK. We received it, we are using it. Under normal circumstances, these Rolls Royce, GE, Safran authorities will not let you pass the facilities where single crystal turbines are produced. Because technology is hidden. Leave CAATSA, the embargo, this is a secret technology. We are doing this right now. Again, the castings of our engines for unmanned aerial vehicles; England blocked the cooperation for various reasons. We did this in a very short time, we developed it. It is now active. BAYKAR, TUSAŞ institutes are flying with those engines very frequently. The UK has a clear embargo. Germany also has a secret sanction. But we also developed that product, it is currently at the prototype stage. It will be used in our engines."

That is why self-suffeciency is important
That is why the West is fuming over Turkey's achievments! Dont look to what they say about rights, freedom etc.... as deep inside, the West is now greatly uncertain to how Turkey will be in the future

Many in The West believe that they made or .... to be exact... forced Turkey to become the new China in the East Med! If such an event did occur, then this will lay the final nail on the coffin for Western dominance
The West knows that if Turkey continued like this, slowly but surely, they will engulf Europe

That is why many Europeans are conducting heavy Anti-Turkey propaganda. Greece, France, Germany, Italy, and the USA are fuming over the possibility of a new world order headed by Turkey
And it is slowly happening


True treason in this country would be to one way or another crush this industry and this is what the West is trying to do rn
Take this as an example

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1476599312201228305

 

[SavageKing456]

India has been trying to make engines for about 45 years. Finally they couldn't, they gave up. They even tried to get help from the French. They redesigned the engine. They said, let's give it a billion euros. But they can't. This is because the engines are very heavy. They don't have material technologies, they couldn't make their software. Therefore, this is the plane they developed Tejas, but the engine they call kaveri could never meet that plane, despite the support of the French. Again, they had to go and install GE's 404 engine

India's case was different
We went a lot optimistic
Without having sufficient fund,facility.
India spent only 2 billion usd for development of kaveri without test facilities.
What did we achieve?
Kaveri helped us to advance our R&D of turbofan engines,intact now kaveri most issues have been resolved and if they can decrease weight it can be put to tejas.
Kaveri helped to such an extent even if foreign player is not involved India will crack the high thrust engine headache
But obviously it will take another decade eventually+fund distribution and proper management is required.
French did give us offer for kaveri but it was not accepted because they were demanding high cost.

It was big mistake by India by not going phase wise for engines,but alas it's never late.
We will reach there eventually

It's interesting to see Turkey is also moving ahead with high thrust turbofan engine R&D,you're right about that part that big powers won't provide tech.

 

[Combat-Master]

India's case was different
We went a lot optimistic
Without having sufficient fund,facility.
India spent only 2 billion usd for development of kaveri without test facilities.
What did we achieve?
Kaveri helped us to advance our R&D of turbofan engines,intact now kaveri most issues have been resolved and if they can decrease weight it can be put to tejas.
Kaveri helped to such an extent even if foreign player is not involved India will crack the high thrust engine headache
But obviously it will take another decade eventually+fund distribution and proper management is required.
French did give us offer for kaveri but it was not accepted because they were demanding high cost.

It was big mistake by India by not going phase wise for engines,but alas it's never late.
We will reach there eventually

It's interesting to see Turkey is also moving ahead with high thrust turbofan engine R&D,you're right about that part that big powers won't provide tech.

Did India have smaller scale turbofan or jet engine projects before starting Kaveri ?

 

[SavageKing456]

Did India have smaller scale turbofan or jet engine projects before starting Kaveri ?

Not the right thread
But as far as I know
We directly jumped to kaveri.
We did not even have smaller turbofan programs.
Manik(stfe) and hal derivatives came later.

 

[Nilgiri]

Did India have smaller scale turbofan or jet engine projects before starting Kaveri ?

Not the right thread
But as far as I know
We directly jumped to kaveri.
We did not even have smaller turbofan programs.
Manik(stfe) and hal derivatives came later.

I continue discussion here for those interested:

Indian Jet Engine and Gas Turbine Archive

Ya ,but I meant weight issues too ,hope they don't make it too heavy , if weight is controlled we might see it going into Ghatak ,and some tejas Weight has been reduced already

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