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Yes, but that's the case with manned aircraft even more
I think when fully armed ackinci and mius will be operational in good numbers turkish drone doctrine will be evaluated into the next level.
Supersonic mius propably will be able provide escorts for heavily equipped aksungur and ackinci without any support from a manned aircraft.
 
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😍 uav launching sonobuoys and listening capability
This unmanned on-system sonobuoy signal processing capability was demonstrated at the NATO exercise over the MARLIN USV.

One step beyond this will be m-to-m communication and co-task profiles. For example, one of the 3 AKSUNGUR will carry sonobuoy pods and MAD boom, while another AKSUNGUR will carry ORKA torpedoes.
 

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This unmanned on-system sonobuoy signal processing capability was demonstrated at the NATO exercise over the MARLIN USV.

One step beyond this will be m-to-m communication and co-task profiles. For example, one of the 3 AKSUNGUR will carry sonobuoy pods and MAD boom, while another AKSUNGUR will carry ORKA torpedoes.
yes, that would be interesting.
but I think there is some insufficiency in this doctrine with the existing capability to become truly game changer in the agean and east med waters. which is, The aselbuoy developed by aselsan is a passive sonobuoy.

And in today's threat environment with the introduction of new generation AIP powered diesel electric boats passive detection became considerably harder than what it was before. For example, german type 212/214 or swedish gothland is believed to be as quiet as ocean itself while cruising silently. ( 90 decibels, which make them nearly immune to the even most sensitive passive detection system )

and that's why new gen sonobuoys are coming up with dual passive active capabilities. For example, SONOFLASH. newly developed by THALES for the french navy. Or AN/SSQ-125A developed for the us navy.

Hopefully, in the near future aselsan or meteksan will be able to develop a new gen dual mod passive/active sonobuoy that will be able to perform much better in today's threat environment.
 
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but I think there may be a little problem. The aselbuoy developed by aselsan is a passive sonobuoy.

And in today's threat environment with the introduction of new generation AIP powered diesel electric boats passive detection became considerably harder than what it was before. For example, german type 212/215 or sweedish gothland is believed to be as quiet as ocean itself when cruising silently. ( 90 decibels, which make them nearly immune to the even most sensitive passive detection system )
thank god we dont have to fight in oceans(yet)
 

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thank god we dont have to fight in oceans(yet)
Huh! Good catch. But, as far as i know the ocean and the sea are the same in this context .😂
 
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Huh! Good catch. But, as far as i know the ocean and the sea are the same in that sense.😂
afaik shallow seas have different acoustic properties.
the salinity level makes a difference too.
there are ppl in this forum who are more knowledgeable than me and it would be nice of them to come and enlighten us with their knowledge.
 

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afaik shallow seas have different acoustic properties.
the salinity level makes a difference too.
there are ppl in this forum who are more knowledgeable than me and it would be nice of them to come and enlighten us with their knowledge.
It would be good.
@Yasar @Nutuk.
And Yes! Shallow water has different acoustic properties than the ocean. And that's why shallow water considered more favorable for submarines ( specially sea like the agean, taiwan strait ) given the fact that, Ambient noise is higher in the shallow water than the average ocean.
 
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It would be good.
@Yasar @Nutuk.
And Yes! Shallow water has different acoustic properties than the ocean. And that's why shallow water considered more favorable for submarines ( specially sea like the agean, taiwan strait ) given the fact that, Ambient noise is higher in the shallow water than the average ocean.
Regarding speed of sound through salty water; It has a lot to do with elasticity and compressibility of water with sound wave pressure and temperature..
The speed of a wave depends solely on the medium. Sound travels faster underwater than through air; but, contrary to logic, sound also travels faster through salt water than through fresh water. Usually, the sound travels slower in a denser medium of the same phase. But why would sound travel faster in salt water if it is denser?
It's because of bulk modulus. "The bulk modulus of a substance measures the substance's resistance to uniform compression. So basically bulk modulus is the measure of how hard it is to compress a substance.
The speed of sound decreases in water with increased density, but increases in water with increasing bulk modulus. Therefore, because salt water is more resistant to compression, sound travels through it faster.
Through same logic warmer water has more bulk modulus and the sound waves travel faster though warm water.
While sound moves at a much faster speed in the water than in air, the distance that sound travels is primarily dependent upon ocean temperature and pressure. While pressure continues to increase as ocean depth increases, the temperature of the ocean only decreases up to a certain point, after which it remains relatively stable.
The temperature effects dominate at the surface, so the speed of sound is faster as the pressure increase. As depth increases, the temperature and the speed of sound decline. Near the bottom, the extreme pressure dominates, and even though temperatures are low, the speed of sound increases with depth.
Here is an article on the subject:
 

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"We have successfully completed and delivered the KERKES Project, which enables our UAVs to operate in areas without GPS. With this technology that few countries in the world are working on, our UAVs will perform their duties without being affected by electronic warfare threats such as GPS blinding."



What is KERKES:

On 23.08.2019, the GPS-Independent Autonomous Navigation System Development Project (KERKES) was signed between SSB and STM in order to develop autonomous navigation and attack capabilities in combat environments where GPS was disabled. On 13 January 2020, together with 16 different projects, also the contract signatures of this R & D project were take place with ceremony held in the SSB.

After the UAV-Swarm capability supported by AI, STM&SSB started the KERKES-Global Positioning System Independent Autonomous Navigation System Development Project, where UAVs will also work in non-GPS environment. Very few countries in the world working on this technology. In the lack of proper communication environment, location estimation will be determined by optical awereness. The target will determined by AI thanks to deep learning techniques, will be hit by tactical approaches by the AI's itself, despite all kinds of ED activities.


KERKES capabilities:

-location determination under enemy ED/EA conditions,
-independent autonomous navigation,
-attribute extraction AE,
-specific point recognitions with deep learning,
-dividing the swarm into different groups,
-image based distance measurement,
-target prioritization
-autonomous re-task planning

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I can say that when this capability reaches widespread use enough, Turkish UAVs will reach another level of deterrent.
 
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Deliveries of Jackal, which was developed by Fly Bvlos Technology operating in GTU Technopark with the contributions of Maxwell Innovation company and Coşkunöz Holding, and won the title of the first UAV exported from Turkiye to England in April 2022, to England have started.

  • 3 hours flight time with hybrid propulsion.
  • Its wingspan is around 4.2 meters.
  • It has a cruising speed of 130 kilometers.

When the Jackal project first started, there was a ducted fan system, which we call 6 pusher ducted fans. This system actually includes testing and field verification of the architecture we call the next generation distributed propulsion architecture. In other words, it also includes the preliminary work of a larger project. Therefore, it will possible to see the Jackal system with 2 fans, 4 fans or 6 fans. These designs will also be tested in the field with the customer, gaining as many flight hours as possible, and using the information obtained from this to be used in the development of larger systems.


A ducted-fan-UAV with a wingspan of about 10 meters, an endurance of 4 hours and a payload of 600kg(2x lightweight torpedoes/medium range missiles + EO/Radar) can fill a very important need for naval platforms. Even if this project is for civilian purposes, I sincerely hope that it will evolve into a navy project in the light of the experiences to be gained.

About Adaptive Ducted Fans
 
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"We have successfully completed and delivered the KERKES Project, which enables our UAVs to operate in areas without GPS. With this technology that few countries in the world are working on, our UAVs will perform their duties without being affected by electronic warfare threats such as GPS blinding."



What is KERKES:

On 23.08.2019, the GPS-Independent Autonomous Navigation System Development Project (KERKES) was signed between SSB and STM in order to develop autonomous navigation and attack capabilities in combat environments where GPS was disabled. On 13 January 2020, together with 16 different projects, also the contract signatures of this R & D project were take place with ceremony held in the SSB.

After the UAV-Swarm capability supported by AI, STM&SSB started the KERKES-Global Positioning System Independent Autonomous Navigation System Development Project, where UAVs will also work in non-GPS environment. Very few countries in the world working on this technology. In the lack of proper communication environment, location estimation will be determined by optical awereness. The target will determined by AI thanks to deep learning techniques, will be hit by tactical approaches by the AI's itself, despite all kinds of ED activities.


KERKES capabilities:

-location determination under enemy ED/EA conditions,
-independent autonomous navigation,
-attribute extraction AE,
-specific point recognitions with deep learning,
-dividing the swarm into different groups,
-image based distance measurement,
-target prioritization
-autonomous re-task planning

*

I can say that when this capability reaches widespread use enough, Turkish UAVs will reach another level of deterrent.
The only word sufficient enough to describe such capability increase is AWESOME!

I got a grasp of the capability breakdown you posted (no, I really understand them, if you can believe it 😆 ) except the “attribute extraction AE”. What is it?
Could you please explain it a little further?
 

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thank god we dont have to fight in oceans(yet)
It has harder to navigate in shallow waters, more prone to be detected by MPAs or satellites due to the bottleneck areas - like passage is possible from there and enemy also knows and can figure out the route (need of surfacing at certain spots to avoid collision) - the wake is likely to be detected due to traveling not in deep water, harder to maneuver. The only advantage is the background noise stemming from shipping routes, absorption -reflection characteristics of the ground,and transmission of submarine's noise due to the lack of SOFAR and pycloncline-termocline.

Oceans are hard for the surface fleet.
 
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Check this out.
Tail is written PT-5 it is like prove we seeing all time same UAV on video.

So at beginning UAV is landing no CAT on back!
little bit later on video 1:10 CAT is visible at back . Then little bit forward on video CAT is not visible at all


DO I understand that correctly here CAT on Akinci is able to pop down and pull in inside of UAV body?
 

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