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Look how children screaming and running.

Russia is a real terrorist state .


Militarily speaking its definitely one of the most ruthless, violent and soulless nations out there. Turkiye dealt with the greeks in 74, no one thought to indiscriminately bomb the greek cities, to raise every greek cypriot city or town to the ground like their russian cousins do. They gone into Syria, Iraq and Libya recently, no Turks thought to indiscriminately bomb civilians. The Russians on the other hand in war want to kill and rape as witnessed in syria and ukraine recently. The armenians recently did the same thing launching ballistic missiles on civilian centres far from the point of conflict, while screaming to the world that they are the victim of a new genocide.

Even in syria a town like al ayn arab/kobani across our border is a nest of PKK activity and the Turks don't reduce that town to rubble
 

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Air power 101 for dummies and why people should stop whinning about Russians bombing some cities.

While Douhet may sound narrow-minded, he was not just describing the benefits of airpower but also working to sway the public, civilian policymakers, and military leadership towards a wholly new line of thought regarding war. Douhet laid a foundation for employment doctrine with several major tenets that while not a guarantee for war, have influenced airpower and warfare ever since. The first tenet included the combination of high explosive, incendiary, and gas bombs with the utility of the latter coming from its ability to prevent emergency responders from assisting after an attack. Targeting has always been an essential element of airpower doctrine and Douhet felt that
“In general, aerial offensives will be directed against such targets at peacetime industrial and commercial establishments; important buildings, private and public; transportation arteries and centers; and certain designated areas of civilian population as well.”
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Mitchell does not focus on the specifics of technology such as units of bombardment or Battleplanes in his major work as Douhet did, but his major concepts are:
  1. An independent air force, run by airmen, is a necessary component of airpower.
  2. Strategic bombardment of vital industrial and population centers will eliminate the enemy’s ability to make war

Douhet clearly knows something people don't and he's Italian, not Russian
Mitchell also knows something...something about the use of air power and he's American, not Russian

Both are father of modern air power.

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In the the Balkan intervention, Iraq-Iran, Persian gulf 1.0 and 2.0 and even as recent as Armenia-Azerbaijan war, the use of airpower to "terrorize" the population has and always will remain the same.

Airpower is always about achieveing punishing blow in the tactical and strategic levels.



Some can be fooled by by the sway of public opinion, I refuse to.

As I said, the difference between Russia and everyone else is just happens to be the Russians aren't as good as we used to think when it comes to the application of air power.
 

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Air power 101 for dummies and why people should stop whinning about Russians bombing some cities.

While Douhet may sound narrow-minded, he was not just describing the benefits of airpower but also working to sway the public, civilian policymakers, and military leadership towards a wholly new line of thought regarding war. Douhet laid a foundation for employment doctrine with several major tenets that while not a guarantee for war, have influenced airpower and warfare ever since. The first tenet included the combination of high explosive, incendiary, and gas bombs with the utility of the latter coming from its ability to prevent emergency responders from assisting after an attack. Targeting has always been an essential element of airpower doctrine and Douhet felt that
“In general, aerial offensives will be directed against such targets at peacetime industrial and commercial establishments; important buildings, private and public; transportation arteries and centers; and certain designated areas of civilian population as well.”
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Mitchell does not focus on the specifics of technology such as units of bombardment or Battleplanes in his major work as Douhet did, but his major concepts are:
  1. An independent air force, run by airmen, is a necessary component of airpower.
  2. Strategic bombardment of vital industrial and population centers will eliminate the enemy’s ability to make war

Douhet clearly knows something people don't and he's Italian, not Russian
Mitchell also knows something...something about the use of air power and he's American, not Russian

Both are father of modern air power.

215px-Giulio_Douhet.jpg
army.mil-62924-2010-01-28-160115.jpg



In the the Balkan intervention, Iraq-Iran, Persian gulf 1.0 and 2.0 and even as recent as Armenia-Azerbaijan war, the use of airpower to "terrorize" the population has and always will remain the same.

Airpower is always about achieveing punishing blow in the tactical and strategic levels.



Some can be fooled by by the sway of public opinion, I refuse to.

As I said, the difference between Russia and everyone else is just happens to be the Russians aren't as good as we used to think when it comes to the application of air power.
Ukrainian children: "we are sorry for being naive. We will never be screaming under honoured Russian airstrikes. We will just die as the children of other nations did."
 

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Ukrainian children: "we are sorry for being naive. We will never be screaming under honoured Russian airstrikes. We will just die as the children of other nations did."
Jokes aside, how is the Russian's the only one labelled terrorist state when they're pretty much trying their best to follow the manual which everyone's sticking to?
 

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Ukrainian children: "we are sorry for being naive. We will never be screaming under honoured Russian airstrikes. We will just die as the children of other nations did."

Whether others engage in it or not, is neither here or there. He's created his own argument and then answered it as if we asked for it. Russian air assaults are terrorism no matter how you try to justify. It doesn't matter who else does it, its still evil shit. Blowing the shit out of Ukrainain civilians when the army is supplied from outside the nation has no strategic value other then to get more Ukrainians to join the army.
 

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Jokes aside, how is the Russian's the only one labelled terrorist state when they're pretty much trying their best to follow the manual which everyone's sticking to?
Again we are sorry labeling orcs as terrorists. " A Peacemaker state."lol.

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Here is the thread of Ukraine -Russia war, you can label everyone you desire in the middle east, south east sections.

But not just here. Come to Ukraine and say your arguments. Parents of those children welcome you.
 

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Again we are sorry labeling orcs as terrorists.

yeah the logic he's employing is deeply flawed. Unless you were celebrating when America did it in Iraq, he doesn't really have an argument. And i dont think any Turk celebrated any american, british, french invasion.

But then again this was an argument he created and then answered for himself.

Its perfectly fine to call what Russia is doing in Ukraine terrorism.
 

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Yeah and you really need to vent your frustration and anger on my oipinion by talking to someone else because you don't have anything of significance to at least prove me wrong.

That explains.

You need to relax, you created your own argument that has nothing to do with what was being said and then used your own answer to call everyone dummies. clam down.
 

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These quadcopters and fpv drones proved themselves as powerful tools. At Eastern regions they are much more effective and caused much more havoc than TB-2 :(
But I think we should get some lessons from that. These are extremely dangerous weapons especially soldiers without anti drone systems especially for our soldiers fighting in the mountains.
 

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These quadcopters and fpv drones proved themselves as powerful tools. At Eastern regions they are much more effective and caused much more havoc than TB-2 :(
But I think we should get some lessons from that. These are extremely dangerous weapons especially soldiers without anti drone systems especially for our soldiers fighting in the mountains.

i've been of the opinion for some time that armed drones should also being getting smaller and smaller. The drive to create bigger and better drones is important, but in airspace that is contested smaller drones have more utility.
 

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You need to relax, you created your own argument that has nothing to do with what was being said and then used your own answer to call everyone dummies. clam down.
So relaxed I find it amusing that you have habits of directly addressing my opinion without having the courage to press the reply button.
 

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So relaxed I find it amusing that you have habits of directly addressing my opinion without having the courage to press the reply button.
Just not to polute here with your off-topics.
 

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So relaxed I find it amusing that you have habits of directly addressing my opinion without having the courage to press the reply button.

privately message me your concerns, lets not derail this thread because of your personal issues.
 

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Air power 101 for dummies and why people should stop whinning about Russians bombing some cities.

While Douhet may sound narrow-minded, he was not just describing the benefits of airpower but also working to sway the public, civilian policymakers, and military leadership towards a wholly new line of thought regarding war. Douhet laid a foundation for employment doctrine with several major tenets that while not a guarantee for war, have influenced airpower and warfare ever since. The first tenet included the combination of high explosive, incendiary, and gas bombs with the utility of the latter coming from its ability to prevent emergency responders from assisting after an attack. Targeting has always been an essential element of airpower doctrine and Douhet felt that
“In general, aerial offensives will be directed against such targets at peacetime industrial and commercial establishments; important buildings, private and public; transportation arteries and centers; and certain designated areas of civilian population as well.”
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Mitchell does not focus on the specifics of technology such as units of bombardment or Battleplanes in his major work as Douhet did, but his major concepts are:
  1. An independent air force, run by airmen, is a necessary component of airpower.
  2. Strategic bombardment of vital industrial and population centers will eliminate the enemy’s ability to make war

Douhet clearly knows something people don't and he's Italian, not Russian
Mitchell also knows something...something about the use of air power and he's American, not Russian

Both are father of modern air power.

215px-Giulio_Douhet.jpg
army.mil-62924-2010-01-28-160115.jpg



In the the Balkan intervention, Iraq-Iran, Persian gulf 1.0 and 2.0 and even as recent as Armenia-Azerbaijan war, the use of airpower to "terrorize" the population has and always will remain the same.

Airpower is always about achieveing punishing blow in the tactical and strategic levels.



Some can be fooled by by the sway of public opinion, I refuse to.

As I said, the difference between Russia and everyone else is just happens to be the Russians aren't as good as we used to think when it comes to the application of air power.
I'll once again engage in your whataboutism. Billy Mitchell was born in 1879, Giulio Douhet in 1869. Both men died even before WWII. This is who you look to for guidance? The world has since moved on. Of the four wars you listed only two involved what you call the hypocritical West, yet coincidentally both of your examples prove the opposite point:

1. Gulf War air campaign - 1 month
10,000–12,000 Iraqi military killed
2,000–3,000 Iraqi civilians killed

2. Operation Allied Force (Kosovo War) - 2 months
1000 Serb military killed
Human Rights Watch estimate: 489–528 civilians
Yugoslav estimate: 1,200–2,000 civilians killed

So what terrorizing are you talking about? In Mariupol alone, which had a pre-war population of 450,000, some estimates of civilians killed go as high as 100,000 (Timothy Snyder from Yale), but even conservative estimates are over 20,000.
 
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