Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Azeri441]

you can't compare repairing multi-billion dollar nuclear submarines that cannot be replaced easily to a diesel sub that has been in production for decades and costs 200m, it will be cheaper to just replace it, they are not expensive subs to begin with and have been in production for decades.

 

[blackjack]

If we are using rubbles for currency its more likely a multimillion dollar sub if a source is telling me 13 billion rubbles than the cost is only just slightly higher than the U.S. losing an F-35 on whatever the fuck it went to, other than sources saying it's in Cuba, if it is Cuba in pieces that F-35 can still compromise a trillion dollar program that was intended for the west to deal with the east. just like they moved their bombers to a different location because of drone attacks, maybe they will resolve the ship/sub parking problem, current production of other submarines projects is still ongoing. They even built a barrier around the crimean bridge to deal with drones. Live an learn is all I got to say. But I still think the F-35 going autopilot somewhere is a monumental fuck up for NATO that can't compare to Russia losing a single submarine in regards to news this week.

 

[Relic]

Germany will send another $428 million usd aid package to Ukraine. The specific details of the package of not yet been released, but according to German defense Minister Boris Pistorious is will include (but is not limited to) the following....

- Ammunition
- Hight explosive artillery rounds
- Mortar shells
- Anti-aircraft missiles
- Winter Gear
- Power and heat generators

Germany to provide Ukraine with $428 million aid package

Berlin is preparing a EUR 400 million ($428 million) security assistance package for Ukraine, largely focused on ammunition and winter equipment, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said in an interview with Bild on Sept. 18.

english.nv.ua

 

[blackjack]

https://iz.ru/1575956/2023-09-18/amerikanist-predrek-rezkoe-ukhudshenie-otnoshenii-evropy-i-ssha-pri-pobede-trampa

If US presidential candidate Donald Trump wins, relations between the United States and Europe will deteriorate sharply. In addition, it is possible that Trump will shift everything related to responsibility for Ukraine to the Europeans and withdraw America from it. This opinion was expressed in a conversation with Izvestia on September 18 by American political scientist Malek Dudakov.

The day before, German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, in an interview with Bloomberg, said that Europe would be better prepared for Trump's possible return to power following the 2024 presidential election than in 2016.

As Dudakov noted, Baerbock's fears are quite obvious, but the leaders of European countries can only prepare for this morally and in no other way, since Europe depends on the United States both economically and military-technically.

"At the same time, I would not say that during the reign of the current US President Joe Biden, relations with Europe have become quite joyful. Many contradictions are trying to somehow "sweep under the carpet", but at the same time they remain. Americans make money on the problems of Europeans - they transfer production from Europe, it is quite possible that they blew up Nord Stream, and so on, "the political scientist noted.

If Trump comes to power in the United States, then, in his opinion, relations with Europe will deteriorate sharply, including at the public level.

"I admit that he will simply shift everything related to responsibility for Ukraine to the Europeans, and he will take America out of this conflict," Dudakov summed up.


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The day before, Trump said that Ukraine could avoid an escalation of the conflict with Russia by agreeing to give up part of the territories. He noted that if the Kiev authorities had made such a deal, it would have been possible to save the lives of military and civilians, as well as save the country.

In addition, Trump has repeatedly argued that if he wins the presidential election in 2024, he would have resolved the Ukrainian conflict in a day.

 

[Ryder]

Russia has all these weapons in its disposal?

Dont they have submarines which can carry ballistic missiles?

All I ever saw is Russian capabilities acting dormant in this entire war.

"Superpower" lol

 

[blackjack]

Russia has all these weapons in its disposal?

Dont they have submarines which can carry ballistic missiles?

All I ever saw is Russian capabilities acting dormant in this entire war.

"Superpower" lol

wanting russia to use ballistic missiles from subs, man come on, are you really tired of living that everyone has to get nuked with you? If Russians don't do shit like not launching a major offensive after November 2024 or before it, i will be pro-ukrainian with everyone else here as a promise.

 

[Ryder]

wanting russia to use ballistic missiles from subs, man come on, are you really tired of living that everyone has to get nuked with you? If Russians don't do shit like not launching a major offensive after November 2024 or before it, i will be pro-ukrainian with everyone else here as a promise.

You have all these capabilities to ensure victory.

I dont see any of it. Also your Vdv troops the cream of the crop got wiped out in Hostomel.

Then again what this war also showed the resilience of Russia's war industry and to adapt to the challenges of facing isolation.

Once again people could be laughing at Russia at the same time they are an enemy that cant be underestimated.

Thats my 50/50 take. Ballistic missiles I mean conventional ones not nuclear.

 

[blackjack]

I guess we can all admit the missing F-35 overshadowed the results of a kilo sub getting destroyed, and I guess turkish users here are relived they didnt buy the aircraft now. A "stealth" jet's transponder stopped working. So the pilot ejected from a plane that was capable of still flying in auto-pilot mode? But then they couldn't track the F-35 because it's transponder didn't work and it is a "stealth" jet. Why would the pilot eject if the plane could still fly? US Marine Corps has just issued a two-day "stand-down" order for "all aviation units" both "inside and outside" of the U.S. I hate to say but there is something more to this.

NATO might be laughing but still Russia gets the last laugh that a trillion dollar project got compromised. Losing a sub is nothing compared to this and the war just continues normally.

EDITL NYT is blaming ukraine for the market place tragedy, hope this isnt an early sign of cutting ties.

 

[Relic]

News starting to trickle out of Ramstein meeting.

Denmark has pledged an additional 45 tanks for Ukraine. 30 additional Leopard 1A5s, which they purchase from an arms dealer and 15 additional T-72s, which they'll purchase from a private company to have upgraded in the Czech Republic prior to being sent.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704063036242174326

Norway will send an additional 51 transport variant M113 APCs to Ukraine to further strengthen Ukrainian logistics.

https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/JQAWEb/...raina-handler-om-norsk-og-europeisk-sikkerhet

As previously noted, Germany will send an additional $428 million usd worth of military aid to Ukraine, focusing on artillery and mortar shells, air defense missiles, winter supplies and generators.

 

[FiReFTW]

Geez Europe, Ukraine and Russia sure have some of the d*mbest leaders in history, they are way beyond saving.
Europe will ruin its economy completely supporting this war and pouring weapons upon weapons into Ukraine and Russia is going to destroy its male population for decades to come (Ukraine will destroy its male population too btw)
What a bounch of inept mor*ns instead of sitting down and negotiating something to stop this mindless bloodshed (in before someone says thats impossible, anything is possible if both sides are willing to do it, hence my point that they are all a bounch of id*ots who care nothing about human lives, I think most people here can't even comprehend the vast amount of human lives and families ruined by this war and that keeps growing. For people like Stoltenberg, Putin, Zelensky etc.... its all easy... just papers and orders... they are not the ones fighting and dying, its the common people.)

 

[Relic]

Geez Europe, Ukraine and Russia sure have some of the d*mbest leaders in history, they are way beyond saving.
Europe will ruin its economy completely supporting this war and pouring weapons upon weapons into Ukraine and Russia is going to destroy its male population for decades to come (Ukraine will destroy its male population too btw)
What a bounch of inept mor*ns instead of sitting down and negotiating something to stop this mindless bloodshed (in before someone says thats impossible, anything is possible if both sides are willing to do it, hence my point that they are all a bounch of id*ots who care nothing about human lives, I think most people here can't even comprehend the vast amount of human lives and families ruined by this war and that keeps growing. For people like Stoltenberg, Putin, Zelensky etc.... its all easy... just papers and orders... they are not the ones fighting and dying, its the common people.)

Europe and the West put up exponentially more money for Covid-19 relief than they have this war. The West spent something like $4 Trillion usd combined on Covid-19 and they survived that just fine. They've spent less than $200 billion usd combined on thr war in Ukraine. We're talking pennies by comparison. Furthermore, roughly 60% of eveything sent to Ukraine already existed in Western inventories. It was already bought and paid for. Largely, the West is not commissioning massive spending to purchase new items for Ukraine. It's happening in some capacity, but overwhelmingly, they've taken from exisiting stocks of vehicles that were retired / are in the process of being replaced.

Food for thought. The USA alone spends $850 billion usd per year on defense. That means $1.7 Trillion usd over two years. The COLLECTIVE West will spend about $200 Billion on Ukraine over 2 years, about 1/9th of USA's defense budget over that time, divided by 30+ countries.

We've literally spent peanuts on Ukraine. Canada has sent Ukraine $8 billion CAD over 2 years. The previous 2 years they spent $600 billion CAD on covid-19 relief.

Furthermore, the West has frozen $350 Billion usd worth of Russian assets. Those assets can be liquidated at any point to further fund the war and / or reimburse Europe and the West.

Your post is deeply misguided regarding our spending and our ability to continue to spend. If you think I'm wrong (I'm not) you're going to have to provide ample evidence to the contrary. I don't think you're properly grasping the collective spending power of thr West, particularly when most of what is being sent was paid for decades ago.

 

[blackjack]

not only the new york times is bashing ukraine but now newsweek, this is such an odd week.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1703926264677924976

 

[Gary]

Russia's lancet now target Ukrainian MiG-29s on their tarmac.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704157273310871952

 

[FiReFTW]

Europe and the West put up exponentially more money for Covid-19 relief than they have this war. The West spent something like $4 Trillion usd combined on Covid-19 and they survived that just fine. They've spent less than $200 billion usd combined on thr war in Ukraine. We're talking pennies by comparison. Furthermore, roughly 60% of eveything sent to Ukraine already existed in Western inventories. It was already bought and paid for. Largely, the West is not commissioning massive spending to purchase new items for Ukraine. It's happening in some capacity, but overwhelmingly, they've taken from exisiting stocks of vehicles that were retired / are in the process of being replaced.

Food for thought. The USA alone spends $850 billion usd per year on defense. That means $1.7 Trillion usd over two years. The COLLECTIVE West will spend about $200 Billion on Ukraine over 2 years, about 1/9th of USA's defense budget over that time, divided by 30+ countries.

We've literally spent peanuts on Ukraine. Canada has sent Ukraine $8 billion CAD over 2 years. The previous 2 years they spent $600 billion CAD on covid-19 relief.

Furthermore, the West has frozen $350 Billion usd worth of Russian assets. Those assets can be liquidated at any point to further fund the war and / or reimburse Europe and the West.

Your post is deeply misguided regarding our spending and our ability to continue to spend. If you think I'm wrong (I'm not) you're going to have to provide ample evidence to the contrary. I don't think you're properly grasping the collective spending power of thr West, particularly when most of what is being sent was paid for decades ago.

Oh I never said the west, read my post again, I said Europe.
The USA and Canada are perfectly fine, its Europe that suffers the most from this, not only from sending military equipment but also from focusing production on producing ammunition etc... also on the fact that they have problem with energy now compared to pre war, its affecting Europe the most, the USA and Canada are fine.
And my point was also mostly about humans, there are tens of thousand of people dying in this war and many more will keep dying, I feel like this war will take forever, its such a shame that so many people will be lost, generations and generations, because of these leaders.

 

[blackjack]

range estimates are suggesting the lancet travelled 66kms more than what was advertised at 40kms.

lancet production getting bumped up and introduction of 3 new kamikaze drones these past 2 weeks makes it seem they have a new electronics production plant open right now.

 

[Ecderha]

ruZZian slaves...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704166094427107663

putin mafia state.
The whole ruZZian population are living in a gulag.
They just can not see the forest through the trees.

 

[Ecderha]

3 ruzzian boats 3 taken down

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704167641944826173

 

[UkroTurk]

The European Commission proposes to extend temporary protection for refugees from Ukraine



Temporary protection may be extended until March 2025.

The war in Ukraine may continue for another 6-7 years



As journalists write, this is much longer than many Western officials expected at the beginning of this year.

The United States and its G7 allies believe that the war in Ukraine could drag on for years and are factoring that possibility into their military and financial planning. A senior official in one of the European G7 countries said the war could continue for another six to seven years.

As Bloomberg writes, this is much longer than many Western officials expected earlier this year. But slow progress in Ukraine's counteroffensive in recent months has tempered expectations, journalists say.

The Kremlin is considering a scenario for the full mobilization of Russians for war, - GUR

Russia, several tens of thousands of people are mobilized every month

Losses among the personnel of the Russian occupiers are really large

 

[UkroTurk]

It looks like Kadyrov has died - Russian businessman



21:16, 09/19/23



The media reported that Kadyrov was in serious condition

Russian officials have not released an update on his condition.

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov died this afternoon in Moscow's Central Clinical Hospital.

This was announced by former vice-president of the Russian oil company Yukos Leonid Nevzlin on the microblog Twitter (X). According to him, this could have happened around 12:00.

“It looks like Kadyrov finally passed away an hour ago at the Central Clinical Hospital,” Nevzlin wrote. He did not provide any details.

 

[UkroTurk]

During his speech at the UN General Assembly, Zelensky said that the world is now on the verge of nuclear war

Ukraine gave away its entire nuclear arsenal, and Russia betrayed it. Russia deserves disarmament even now: terrorists do not have the right to possess nuclear weapons.

Russia turns nuclear energy into a weapon. Look at what the Russian Federation did to our Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant: shelled it, occupied it, and now blackmails others with the threat of a radiation leak.

russia is trying to use the food shortage on the world market as a weapon in exchange for recognizing the occupation of some — if not all — captured territories. Russia uses food prices as a weapon.

Every decade, Russia starts a new war. Parts of the territory of Moldova and Georgia remain occupied. Russia has turned Syria into ruins. And if it weren't for Russia, chemical weapons would never have been used there. Russia has almost absorbed Belarus, threatens Kazakhstan and the Baltic states.

Unfortunately, various terrorist groups have abducted children before, but never before have mass abductions and deportations become part of state policy. Until today. Abducted Ukrainian children in Russia are taught to hate Ukraine, and all ties with their families are severed. This is genocide.