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blackjack said:
@kathirz

OK how about we do this with Ukraine and western propaganda instead because you feel that Russians are BSing that only 2% of their forces just in the operation have been killed. Guess what kind of news came this morning for me.

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What made this even worse is that she went to re-edit her video to scratch out the 100k ukrainians killed in action than twitter, 4chan and other social media sites made a big deal out of it. Now Oryx claims like 80k+ russian troops dying and Putins mobilization bill can go up to 1 million reservists over the existing 318k and he already signed a bill to add 150k active duty troops over the existing 1 million giving it a 1,150,000 for active duty, Zelensky states in May we have 700k troops.. Even if we ignore Russian sources and just use western/Ukrainian sources Ukraine is still statistically fucked to lose this war. Unless you want to argue that we shouldn't trust Ukrainian and western sources?
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That statement will have consequences for that ugly Kraut.
 
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merzifonlu said:
It's all well and good, but there is a problem: When this ship, for example, generates power in the port of Odessa, how will the safety of that ship be guaranteed?
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By an agreement between Putin and Erdogan. The timing is interesting, dont you.
 
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Huelague said:
@Ecderha ?
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We have to wait and see what will be the result.
As I said before it is not about Ukraine and Turkiye business company which will provide Electricity.
It is about putin, what he thinks about this. He do not want Ukraine citizens to have electricity to warm themself.
But let see
 
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tositr said:
Russia has at least 120k-130k KIA,
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Bro....Not even Ukrainian sources claim this if you are pulling those numbers than its even bigger BS than what Ukrainians make up on Oryx :ROFLMAO: Excluding Surovkins and Shoguis Russian death results, 100,000 dead Ukrainians goes about right with what Scott Ritter reported foe Russian/allied dead 10-15000 (approximately 10,000 Russian and 5,000 Donbass militias). As Ritter said, the Russians will take that ratio all day every day. Lets say 3 times that much is wounded and you have 400,000 Ukrainian casualties and 40 to 50 thousand Russian and allied casualties.

If Reports about Ukraine's complete breakdown in logistics including medical infrastructure and that Ukraine is not retrieving its dead or honoring them as war dead are accurate, then Zelensky puppet's claim of 700,000 dead could easily be only half of the real number. Yeah, if medical logistics are gone, Ukraine could literally be bleeding out and so we could be talking maybe 1, 1.5 million dead and 3 times that many wounded, some permanently maimed.

If these numbers are accurate its only a matter of time before that country collapses completely. Even if it somehow "wins" this war, that is to say forces Russia back to just Crimea, and its lines in Donbass at the time of Minsk its going to be an economic basket case that will burden the US and EU economies for decades. Its energy grid alone is going to take years to rebuild. What industry it had that escaped the rot of the 90s -2022 and isn't in Donbass or Crimea is gone now so there is nothing that it has that can contribute to the EU. Hell, if its combat and working age men are all shot to pieces along with its women there isn't even a cheap labor or sex trafficking victim pool for the EU to exploit.

Frankly, Russia can just win this war by lobbing rockets and drones to destroy NATO weapons and Ukrainian infrastructure, and just digging in and occasionally turning towns into Verduns until the Ukes realize that all their sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, etc are missing, missing body parts or their psyches, or dead.

The west for its part? Well the United States has admitted we lack chips for new wonderwaffles and we have vowed to defend Taiwan which is doubtful because the weapons selling scam is eating into our ammunition stocks. If the US is admitting this, how bad is the situation in Europe. Also, what happens to the EU economies as having to pay 4 to 5 times and more for either reshipped Russian gas, which means Russia makes money, or US LNG means economic decrease and surging living costs? Again, the EU leadership has committed itself to support Ukraine "until victory." So in addition to the EU economy collapsing, & its peoples facing ever higher living costs, it will have to literally babysit a demographic disaster as it will have a Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iraq all rolled into one on its doorstep. Now that is if Ukraine "wins" this war.
At what point does the EU realize that its new garden space is a toxic dump full of weeds that will only kill the gardener?

Long story short, Russia has already won this war demographically and economically if not militarily and the west is beaten even though they don't know it yet.
 
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@blackjack I explained you the logic of causalities how it works in a war and when someone with particular experience give's you a free tip, say thank you than trying to give counter argument.
And to be honest I didn't even read all the post except first lines. I strongly believe you are not competent enough to talk about this particular topic. A great lack of knowledge and experience. You need to read more military books (maybe to join a military academy) or take a short path and go get mobilized for your own country.
In internet and in newspapers you will not get any kind of healthy information regarding the topics that I see you are mentioning.
 
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blackjack said:
@kathirz

OK how about we do this with Ukraine and western propaganda instead because you feel that Russians are BSing that only 2% of their forces just in the operation have been killed. Guess what kind of news came this morning for me.

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What made this even worse is that she went to re-edit her video to scratch out the 100k ukrainians killed in action than twitter, 4chan and other social media sites made a big deal out of it. Now Oryx claims like 80k+ russian troops dying and Putins mobilization bill can go up to 1 million reservists over the existing 318k and he already signed a bill to add 150k active duty troops over the existing 1 million giving it a 1,150,000 for active duty, Zelensky states in May we have 700k troops.. Even if we ignore Russian sources and just use western/Ukrainian sources Ukraine is still statistically fucked to lose this war. Unless you want to argue that we shouldn't trust Ukrainian and western sources?
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As I've said, I don't believe on what von der Leyen or Shoigu say. They use the numbers for their interests in the middle of the war. In this case for magnifying the drama ( its a disgrace, of course ) with the goal of prepare EU population for months of war and raise supplies to UKR, after declaring Russia as a terrorist state.

IMO, she might be "rounding" a big number starting to count from 2014. But remember, the expected casualities on aggresor side would be more if we look to previous experiences.
 
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"Three Axes" -> M777 artillery

"all targets are special...especially the 300 men we hit with 9 shells...that situation made us happy..."

 
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