Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1778364744451362844

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1778328989649752374

hmm that's not how it works. Generally speaking, the government would have to start a campaign in advance to smoothen the shock effect. In the case of Morocco for example, the government via media would start talking in advance about the Western Sahara issue (a subject of intense enmity between Morocco and Algeria) and sell the idea to justify the normalization with Israel as part of Moroccos effort to curb Sahrawi independence via stronger ties with Israel.

Jadi kita perhatiin aja 3-6 bulan kedepan kalau media media pro pemerintah udah mulai ngeluarin retorika pro normalisasi.

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Untuk yang Muslim, kalau kalian pikir kalian bakal kaya raya makmur sejahtera karena hubungan ekonomi Jakarta dengan Tel Aviv, liat warga Mesir, dimana standar hidup mereka setelah normalisasi dan dapat jatah pesangon tahunan dari Amerika.

 

[Lordimperator]

hmm that's not how it works. Generally speaking, the government would have to start a campaign in advance to smoothen the shock effect. In the case of Morocco for example, the government via media would start talking in advance about the Western Sahara issue (a subject of intense enmity between Morocco and Algeria) and sell the idea to justify the normalization with Israel as part of Moroccos effort to curb Sahrawi independence via stronger ties with Israel.

Jadi kita perhatiin aja 3-6 bulan kedepan kalau media media pro pemerintah udah mulai ngeluarin retorika pro normalisasi.

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Untuk yang Muslim, kalau kalian pikir kalian bakal kaya raya makmur sejahtera karena hubungan ekonomi Jakarta dengan Tel Aviv, liat warga Mesir, dimana standar hidup mereka setelah normalisasi dan dapat jatah pesangon tahunan dari Amerika.

Then what? Do you want to destabilize our nation for Palestinian cause?

 

[Gary]

Then what? Do you want to destabilize our nation for Palestinian cause?

Destabilize ? the one who is destabilizing is the one who wants to normalize. They know it will infuriate people, but from the look of it they really want to move forward for that shekels who will eventually find its way to the pockets of the elite.

This is Egypt (and Egyptians) after Millions upon millions of US $$$$ coming into their country after normalizing with Israel.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1778398761456378239

 

[NEKO]

Then what? Do you want to destabilize our nation for Palestinian cause?

Justru bakalan gonjang ganjing kalau Indonesia membuka hubungan diplomatik dengan israel.


Gak kaget kalau isu begini berasal dari israel karena merka yang paling ngebet.

 

[schuimpjes]

Dari sisi manapun, ini negara belum pantes masuk OECD. Aneh juga pada oke aja negara-negara anggota OECD kalo mereka nge-vote ‘yes’ Indonesia masuk OECD.

‘Democratic consolidation’ belum tercapai, demokrasi disini belum established bagus, ringkih disana-sini, masih gampang democratic backsliding kapan aja. Kalo dari LIPI kita perlu 7 kali pemilihan ‘demokratis’ dulu baru democratic consolidation tercapai,. Sama untuk ekonomi bahkan Thailand masih diatas kita per kapita, walaupun GDP emang kita nomer 1 mereka nomer 2 di Asia Tenggara. Gini (wealth distribution/kesenjangan) 11:12 lah.

Takutnya Indonesia masuk situ malah nurunin ‘harga pasaran’ OECD. Nanti negara kayak apalah you name it bilang mau masuk OECD sama Indonesia didukung dll. Tunggu lebih established dulu semuanya.

 

[schuimpjes]

kalo mau setara ya gabung BRIC+ lah ...

Untuk kondisi sekarang emang cocoknya disini

 

[schuimpjes]

 

[satria]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1778398761456378239

wah liat videonya sadis ya

TNI-Polri Buru Anggota OPM Pembunuh Danramil Aradide

Aparat gabungan tengah memburu anggota Organisasi Papua Merdeka (OPM) yang membunuh Danramil 1703-04/Aradide Letda Inf Oktovianus Sokolray.

nasional.kompas.com

 

[satria]

wah liat videonya sadis ya

TNI-Polri Buru Anggota OPM Pembunuh Danramil Aradide

Aparat gabungan tengah memburu anggota Organisasi Papua Merdeka (OPM) yang membunuh Danramil 1703-04/Aradide Letda Inf Oktovianus Sokolray.

nasional.kompas.com

harusnya pemerintah siar ke media barat tuh video via "Alman", biar TNI/Polri tuntas ... mukanya jelas lagi

 

[satria]

Bantah Laporan Media Israel, Kemenlu RI: Indonesia Tak Berencana Buka Hubungan dengan Israel

Kemenlu RI menepis isu Indonesia akan menormalisasi hubungan diplomatik dengan Israel agar bisa jadi anggota OECD, seperti diberitakan media Israel.

www.kompas.com

Kemenlu RI: posisi Indonesia tak berubah

 

[NEKO]

Their reputation on the global stage got battered so much, now resort to some BS to cope.

 

[DeadbyboreD]

Their reputation on the global stage got battered so much, now resort to some BS to cope.

they are successfully lured up those closet zionist fans. look at the comments section

 

[NEKO]

they are successfully lured up those closet zionist fans. look at the comments section

I also noticed that (pro Israel Indonesian), from what I've seen and not only from this video, its more about their hate towards Palestine/Islam rather than being Israel fan.

Mostly they are Christian/catholic, but just like there is muslim that hate non muslim there is also non muslim who hate muslim, so there is no surprise. Hopefully we can keep the religious tolerance, and no need for SARA. Regardless of our differences.

Though i doubt if they know that Christian people in Israel also not treated kindly by the Israeli although not as bad as muslim.

Many incident involving spitting:

The christians in palestine also having trouble with settler:

 

[satria]

I also noticed that (pro Israel Indonesian), from what I've seen and not only from this video, its more about their hate towards Palestine/Islam rather than being Israel fan.

Mostly they are Christian/catholic, but just like there is muslim that hate non muslim there is also non muslim who hate muslim, so there is no surprise. Hopefully we can keep the religious tolerance, and no need for SARA. Regardless of our differences.

Though i doubt if they know that Christian people in Israel also not treated kindly by the Israeli although not as bad as muslim.

makanya jangan main api

pemerintah dan tokoh masyarakat harusnya sudah tau akibatnya ..
ga bakal lebih baik kalo kita normalisasi dengan israel , yang ada malah rakyat ntar kebagi 2 dan bakal menjadi korban .. mumpung blum resmi yahudi disini , rendam terus jangan kasih harapan mereka obok2 rakyat kita .

 

[satria]

nekat nih opm ngikutin jenazah dan serang markas TNI

 

[schuimpjes]

About Ukrainian forces in Sudan according to WSJ’s article early March 2024

“The first wave of Ukrainian troops—nearly 100 soldiers, mostly from HUR’s Timur unit—landed on a charter jet in Sudan in mid-August. The Russian influence in the country was immediately apparent: Sudanese soldiers who had been trained in Russian military academies served as translators.

The Ukrainians’ first mission was to help get Burhan out of Khartoum, where the rebel group, known as the Rapid Support Forces, had surrounded him. But not long after they arrived, Burhan drove in a convoy to the compound outside the capital where the Ukrainians were based. His guards had smuggled him out of Khartoum, according to Sudanese officials.

Burhan thanked the Ukrainians for their efforts, then headed to Port Sudan, a city on the Red Sea that his forces still controlled. He met Zelensky at Ireland’s Shannon Airport a few weeks later.

“We discussed our common security challenges, namely the activities of illegal armed groups financed by Russia,” Zelensky wrote on Telegram at the time of the meeting. He also thanked Burhan for “Sudan’s consistent support of Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

Read more here

 

[schuimpjes]

More about Ukrainian HUR/GUR (and SBU after Euromaidan) here from NYT

The Spy War: How the C.I.A. Secretly Helps Ukraine Fight Putin (Published 2024)

For more than a decade, the United States has nurtured a secret intelligence partnership with Ukraine that is now critical for both countries in countering Russia.

www.nytimes.com

New NYT article including some exclusive interviews about CIA and Ukrainian intelligence relations from post-Euromaidan Ukraine till now.

First history is about Nalyvaichenko became the Head of SBU after Euromaidan and became CIA trusted allies in Ukraine. SBU made Fifth Directorate headed by General Kondratiuk.

After Poroshenko changed the head of SBU with his ally1, US lost its close ally but new comer came. General Kondratiuk became the head of HUR of the military and started to worked with CIA. HUR is seen as better even, because not just domestic intelligence they are focusing here but also foreign. Even what named as Operation Goldfish they are/were not just spying on Russia, but also to Belarus and Chinese spy satellites. Only worked at night and when no satellite overhead them.

CIA through its Ground Department (Ground Branch) trained some of HUR personnel or Spetznaz called as Unit 2245, which now commander of HUR, Budanov, was served there before.

And more, read them by yourselves lol

Edited at 1. Not political ally, but just ally. Political ally was Bakanov during early Zelensky administration.

 

[schuimpjes]

Daily song for you

 

[schuimpjes]

Israel striked high ranking IRGC officer, Mohammad Reza Zahedi in Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria who was also a member of Lebanese political party Hezbollah’s Shura Council member.

Iran responded with today (WIB time) strikes to Israel with drones and ballistic missiles overwhelming Israeli Iron Domes.

Edit: and Israeli Anti Ballistic Missile Systems (ABM).