Cousin marriage playing havoc with health in Pakistan

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Lahore: Pakistan tops the list of marriages within blood relations and the number of people suffering from genetic diseases in the country is estimated between 14-16 million while 1.6 million mutations have been found in Pakistan. Consanguine marriages in Pakistan are 73 percent and the country has the largest community of deaf children.

Prof Dr Arndt Rolfs, a neurologist and psychiatrist from Germany, shared his research in consanguinity in Pakistan at a presentation he gave on the occasion of 70 years celebrations of diplomatic relations between Pakistan and Germany.

He said more than 55,000 patients need immediate treatment. Dr Arndt Rolfs, a scientist and multi-entrepreneur in biotech, has diagnosed more than 15,000 patients with genetic diseases in Lahore alone and said increasing percentage of diseases could be treated. “This is post-genomic era. Technology has massively improved. Five years back the diagnosis cost $15,000, now it costs $5,000. In time it will cost 100-120 USD,” he said and added there are diseases that can be treated in less than $5. “Patients have to pay for the tests in Pakistan and they are burdened by a delay in the diagnosis for about six to eight years,” he said and stressed that early diagnosis is of great importance. Metabolic diseases are reflecting the most in Pakistan. They are more frequent than one in 2000.

He has proposed establishing a rare disease centre in Lahore for the treatment of genetic diseases. He wants to bring the structure to the patients and it should not be the other way round. At present, people travel thousands of miles from Pakistan to see him. The proposed rare disease centre will have genetic lab for diagnosis and genetic counselling unit by human geneticists.

He said, “80-90 percent of the diagnostics prescribed by doctors in Pakistan are unnecessary, which is only burning money. Seventy percent of birth defects can be prevented due to genetic services. There is no genetic testing infrastructure (no diagnostic labs and genetic expertise) in Pakistan.”
There are over 4 million births in Pakistan annually. “Most births do not receive newborn screening which costs less than 10 USD. “A newborn’s blood is taken from heel and different tests can be conducted but there is no systematic newborn screening here. Systematic newborn screening is a standard practice in the world. We need to start that,” he said.

Dr Arndt Rolfs is the founder of Arcensus, a digital health and genetics start-up empowering people to take their personal health into their own hands. Arcensus provides a trusted, secure and comprehensive digital service based on Whole Genome Sequencing (WGS). The company was in more than 100 countries in 2005. He said he remained its CEO for 14 years and then in 2018 he handed it over to younger people.

He underlined education and awareness as key to fighting this problem. Egypt and Saudi Arabia, he said, are effectively fighting against the problem. “We have to educate doctors and patients. We are focusing on changing mentality of doctors,” he said.
His majority of research is in Lahore but he has also done research in Peshawar, Multan and Islamabad, and now will go to Karachi. He said more boys were brought to him for checkup, the number of girls was less.

He said, “National registries are very important to understand genetic diseases but no national registry is available in Pakistan. Genome sequencing is doable,” he said. He gave a list of top 10 genetic disorders that are treatable.
The Genomic England Project was started six years ago. Pharmaceutical partners have the most interest in the knowledge. Genomic sequencing is free for everyone in the UK and the money has come from the pharma partners.

Consanguine marriages have declined in Israel because the rabbis say, “You don’t have my blessings’. If people have same gene, risk increases of being one in four. Everything starts from informed knowledge, he said.

There is a WHO study, he said, that puts the country’s loss due to genetic diseases at 18-20 USD every year. This is more than what is being spent on cancer and COVID together, he said. It has to be the top issue to be addressed in Pakistan.

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inbreeding is harmful for off-springs in any species , not sure what the argument in promoting such practises when its already proven that it will harm the coming generations.

I think in India too the non indigenous Muslims follow such practices
 

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Same thing is happening even in UK too....​

The young British Pakistani women prepared to marry their COUSINS in order to keep their families happy - but risk giving birth to disabled children​

  • BBC Three documentary Should I Marry My Cousin? follows 18-year-old Hiba
  • She is on a quest to figure out whether she should follow her family tradition
  • Hiba speaks with her own relatives as well as two sisters on their wedding day
  • They marry their own cousins in a double ceremony
  • Hiba looks at research from the 'Born in Bradford' study which is a long-term study of 13,500 children born in 2007 whose health is being tracked
  • Worried over potential genetic issues when having children with a cousin, the research shocks Hiba who chooses not to marry her own relative

 

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My family is from Eastern Anatolia/Turkey. It's a rural, conservative region that is deeply rooted in centuries-old traditions. But it is crazy how cousin marriage literally just stopped overnight. Not one single cousin married a family member - not one! They all wanted to marry outsiders and they did. I see this all over Turkey. One of the very few positive developments in the Turkish society.
 

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My family is from Eastern Anatolia/Turkey. It's a rural, conservative region that is deeply rooted in centuries-old traditions. But it is crazy how cousin marriage literally just stopped overnight. Not one single cousin married a family member - not one! They all wanted to marry outsiders and they did. I see this all over Turkey. One of the very few positive developments in the Turkish society.
In my culture , they have this surnames and you cant marry within your mother's surname , grand mother's (paternal)surname , your surname and your maternal grand mother's surname .
the avoid to marry in neighboring villages as they say they were started by same brothers so to avoid even remote chance of in breeding.

your area has literally evolved and left behind the culture which dint suite the current time
 

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In my culture , they have this surnames and you cant marry within your mother's surname , grand mother's (paternal)surname , your surname and your maternal grand mother's surname .
the avoid to marry in neighboring villages as they say they were started by same brothers so to avoid even remote chance of in breeding
Very interesting. What is your culture? Hindu? In Western Europe, the churches watched over who is marrying who. They documented the family trees to avoid inbreeding and incest but - and that's interesting - it still happened due to the fact that people living in the same community for hundreds of years did become related to each other eventually at one point in history. I see that your "culture" has a more extensive approach.
 

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Very interesting. What is your culture? Hindu? In Western Europe, the churches watched over who is marrying who. They documented the family trees to avoid inbreeding and incest but - and that's interesting - it still happened due to the fact that people living in the same community for hundreds of years did become related to each other eventually at one point in history. I see that your "culture" has a more extensive approach.
The people from whole area migrtaed to north west India from Iran in 12-13th century , as far as religion is concerned you can find people with same surname following customs of Hinduism , Sikhism and Islam .
I am not sure about those who have started following Islam get drifted from the culture , but I am sure about those following Hinduism and Sikhism . If you want to know more read about Jats
 

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Very interesting. What is your culture? Hindu? In Western Europe, the churches watched over who is marrying who. They documented the family trees to avoid inbreeding and incest but - and that's interesting - it still happened due to the fact that people living in the same community for hundreds of years did become related to each other eventually at one point in history. I see that your "culture" has a more extensive approach.
He is referring to a micro community within India where from I understand. Please correct me if wrong, @crixus
 

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As for cousin marriages in Pakistan go, a Pakistani friend in college told me this is done to keep wealth within the family. It's bizarre to me though. One minute you are playing with each other as kids and a few years later you are on top of one another. Not just from a science perspective, it just feel downright wrong.
 
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He is referring to a micro community within India where from I understand. Please correct me if wrong, @crixus
I'm Hindu and it's pretty much the same from my region. We can't marry anyone with the same surnames as referenced in crixus's post#5. There is even something called "Gotra" which refers to "lineage" and you can't marry anyone with the same Gotra or some associated Gotras. The sole purpose Gotra was created is to prevent in-breeding
 

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As for cousin marriages in Pak go, a Pak friend in college told me this is done to keep wealth within the family. It's bizarre to me though. One minute you are playing with each other as kids and a few years later you are on top of one another. Not just from a science perspective, it just feel downright wrong.
Also, the so called "inherently superior pakistani punjabis" don't want to mix with the relatively dark & short looking Sindhis
 
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I'm Hindu and it's pretty much the same from my region. We can't marry anyone with the same surnames as referenced in crixus's post#5. There is even something called "Gotra" which refers to "lineage" and you can't marry anyone with the same Gotra or some associated Gotras. The sole purpose Gotra was created is to prevent in-breeding

Thanks. I've heard of gotra. I not a practising Hindu, so my knowledge of religious intricacies is limited.
 

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Also, the so called "inherently superior pak punjabis" don't want to mix with the relatively dark & short looking Sindhis
It's literally the adjoining state. How different could it possibly be?
 

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He is referring to a micro community within India where from I understand. Please correct me if wrong, @crixus
I am not sure about rest of Indian but in North majority follows it , In my own family there was one incident happen , in which my maternal uncle's son get married in a family whose gotra is same as my maternal grand father's mom . technically it was allowed but he still resisted , finally the marriage happened and the old man just registered his resistance.

Regarding Muslims , I know Ranghars/Mule Jats used to follow the same process before independence , but not sure about them now as they migrated to Pakistan and may be drifted or changed the customs
 

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As for cousin marriages in Pak go, a Pak friend in college told me this is done to keep wealth within the family. It's bizarre to me though. One minute you are playing with each other as kids and a few years later you are on top of one another. Not just from a science perspective, it just feel downright wrong.
You keep the wealth but screwed the future generations LoL
 

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The usual suspects at it. Every society has dark practices. Cousin marriage is terrible for the health of the popualtion. No doubt about it. Anyway carry on .... !
 

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The usual suspects at it. Every society has dark practices. Cousin marriage is terrible for the health of the popualtion. No doubt about it. Anyway carry on .... !
Is this related to religion or just a societal practise
 
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It's social practice and driven primarily by conservative rural cultures to preserve their landed wealth. Your talking as if your a Swede. The fact is over 9% of Hindus in India practice cousin marriage - this figure was higher in the past particularly in the south but has reduced over the decades. Aas referance Indian Muslim clock in at 15% cousin marriage. You draw your own inferances from this. If you estimate the Hindu population of India at about 1.1 billion this would mean at 9% about 100 million Indian Hindus indulge in this practice. No offence but 100 million is a vast number that would drown all of Turkey and Greece combined.

Prevalence and determinants of consanguineous marriage and its types in India: evidence from the National Family Health Survey, 2015-2016​

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The aim of the present study was to estimate the prevalence and examine the determinants of consanguineous marriage types in India. Data for 456,646 ever-married women aged 15-49 years were analysed from the National Family Health Survey (NFHS)-4 conducted in 2015-16. The overall prevalence of consanguineous marriage was 9.9%; the South region (23%) and North-East region (3.1%) showed the highest and lowest prevalences, respectively. Muslims had a higher prevalence (15%) than Hindus (9%). The prevalence of first cousin marriage (8.7%) was more than that of second cousin (0.7%) and of uncle-niece marriages (0.6%). Women living in urban areas and in nuclear families, having a higher level of education and belonging to affluent families were less likely to marry their cousins (p < 0.01). Women living in the South region of the country were more likely to marry their cousins, as well as uncles (p < 0.001). Close scrutiny of the trends in the results (odds ratios) revealed no clear relationship between socioeconomic condition and consanguineous marriage. The study results suggest that religion and north-south regional dichotomy in culture largely determine consanguineous marriage rather than socioeconomic condition in India.

 

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Also, the so called "inherently superior pakistani punjabis" don't want to mix with the relatively dark & short looking Sindhis
I accept there is lots of racism in Pakistan. Pakhtuns rarely will marry outsiders be they Punjabi or Sindhi. Each group uses all sort of pejorative terms for others but this is no differant in India where Punjabi Indians look down on the dark, small Biharis or Dravidian indians of the south. And then the whoile lot look down at disgust to the 20% of Dalit India - the term untouchable needs no further explaination.
 

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And we all know that the tiny 0.01% of India that goes as Brahmins practice such exclusivity that it would blush even the most ardent Nazi. This social order sums the status quo and practice for millenias in India and endemic to Hinduism.

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