India Faces 'Very Significant Challenges', Especially From China, Says White House As It Releases Indo-Pacific Strategy

[xizhimen]

Two entirely different things. China can remain a consumer while manufacturing moves to cheaper locations.

Low end manufacturing maybe, but even this is very questionable since increasingly number of factories in China are replacing human workers with robots, it's an interesting time we are living now.
Robots don't ask for pay raise, healthcare, retirement pension, vacations...they are way cheaper than any human workers from any countries.

 

[xizhimen]

US workers are fighting a losing battle

China puts in more robots than US putting in workers

76% of global robot installations in five countries: China, Japan, US, South Korea and Germany in 2020. China has been the world’s largest industrial robot market since 2013 and accounted for 44% of total installations in 2020.

 

[Blackbeardsgoldfish]

Lol. Yes, it showed him. Not liking an answer seems to be an automatic segue to whataboutery.

What happened to the erstwhile Soviet Union? It doesn't even exist on the map anymore. Stalin's USSR is gone.

It showed him what? You bring Hitler and Mussolini into the discussion about how the west pooled their resources to destroy these dictators, which, fair enough, is what happened, only after war had been brought to their doorstep by said dictators and they had gotten a pretty bad beating. But this set of circumstances doesn't apply to Stalin, the west never entered into an actual war with him, and the airlift didn't put him under any pressure whatsoever. Hitler shot himself because the red army was half a kilometer from his bunker and Mussolini was dangling from the gallows thanks to italian partisans, and here it's undeniable that this happened due to the western powers allied with the soviets. But they never stood up to Stalin the way they did to the fascists, so how exactly did the west "show him"?

And yes, Stalin's USSR isn't on the map any longer, but it didn't collapse with his death, it collapsed nearly 4 decades later, with multiple leaders in between. But that's the course for most, if not all Empires. Victoria's British Empire doesn't exist any longer, although it too survived for decades after her death. The Spanish Empire didn't die with Charles V, and the Roman Empire was expanding in size and strength after Augustus as well, but none of those empires exist any longer, that's the natural course of history.

 

[McCool]

That means the US Indo-Pacific pivot finally gains traction. India while no match in a one to one basis to China, would make a huge boost to the security architecture of the Indo-Pacific, together with the US, Japan and Australia.

Slowly but sure, China's aggression will be met by increasingly united response by its neighbor.

 

[xizhimen]

That means the US Indo-Pacific pivot finally gains traction. India while no match in a one to one basis to China, would make a huge boost to the security architecture of the Indo-Pacific, together with the US, Japan and Australia.

Slowly but sure, China's aggression will be met by increasingly united response by its neighbor.

China is never an agressive nation by nature, all the other countries you mentioned are.
The only thing we see now which is increasing fast is their dependence on China.

 

[McCool]

Hmmm, China is equally dependent in the semicon industry. that Trump legacy sanctions on chips must've hurt China real bad. And thanks to China's loudspeaker on those dependence, now the US and Europeans are taking steps to reduce those dependence.

I'm old enough to remember World overwhelming dependence on China's control on rare earth, only to see those dependence reduced very significantly when China decided to use those dependence as weapons against Japan in 2015.

China’s Waning Rare Earths Advantage

In 1992, during a visit to Inner Mongolia, Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping quipped: “The Middle East has oil, China has rare earths,” referring to 17 elements on the southern end of the perio

www.realclearworld.com

Moral of the story, just because people are dependent on you today, might not be the case tomorrow. Especially when you're actively using it as weapons. We might see rapid European and US efforts to reduce those dependence. in a very short time period.

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Otoh, Indonesia is currently buying weapons left and right. Surely Jakarta knows that an aggressive neighbor is somewhere around

 

[xizhimen]

That means the US Indo-Pacific pivot finally gains traction. together with the US, Japan and Australia.

Slowly but sure, China's aggression will be met by increasingly united response by its neighbor.

You are very delusional, when was the last time US put the money where their mouth is? Back stabbing is what US can do the best, to Canada last time and this time to Australia

While Australian exports to China fall, the USA is picking up our share | ABC News

US’ ’brutal’ $6b move screws Australia

Australia’s devastating trade war with China has been a crushing blow for many industries, and the wider economy as a whole.

www.news.com.au

US, allies reap benefits as fallout from Australia's trade row with China hits $17b

Australia's closest security allies, led by the United States, have been the biggest beneficiaries of Beijing's campaign of economic coercion against Canberra, according to a new report.

www.abc.net.au

 

[xizhimen]

Hmmm, China is equally dependent in the semicon industry. that Trump legacy sanctions on chips must've hurt China real bad.

We do import from the west, but not "equally" dependence on them, hurting China badly? did you know that China just registered the biggest record of exports and trade surplus in the human history last year? thanks for Trump's 5 years trade war.

 

[xizhimen]

Gobbling China's exports, US sinks into dependency - Asia Times

China’s exports rose 28% in September from the year-earlier level, more than the analyst consensus had forecast. More important is that China’s exports to

asiatimes.com

China dominates world export markets despite US trade war

Asian countries' supply chain dependence deepens, with RCEP set to boost trend

asia.nikkei.com

 

[xizhimen]

US always plays India for a fool , did you ever see US did what it preaches?

Gobbling China's exports, US sinks into dependency - Asia Times

China’s exports rose 28% in September from the year-earlier level, more than the analyst consensus had forecast. More important is that China’s exports to

asiatimes.com

 

[Jackdaws]

It showed him what? You bring Hitler and Mussolini into the discussion about how the west pooled their resources to destroy these dictators, which, fair enough, is what happened, only after war had been brought to their doorstep by said dictators and they had gotten a pretty bad beating. But this set of circumstances doesn't apply to Stalin, the west never entered into an actual war with him, and the airlift didn't put him under any pressure whatsoever. Hitler shot himself because the red army was half a kilometer from his bunker and Mussolini was dangling from the gallows thanks to italian partisans, and here it's undeniable that this happened due to the western powers allied with the soviets. But they never stood up to Stalin the way they did to the fascists, so how exactly did the west "show him"?

And yes, Stalin's USSR isn't on the map any longer, but it didn't collapse with his death, it collapsed nearly 4 decades later, with multiple leaders in between. But that's the course for most, if not all Empires. Victoria's British Empire doesn't exist any longer, although it too survived for decades after her death. The Spanish Empire didn't die with Charles V, and the Roman Empire was expanding in size and strength after Augustus as well, but none of those empires exist any longer, that's the natural course of history.

We can argue till the cows come home. Stalin died with 7-8 years of end of WW2. What he built didn't even last 40 years. A comparison to a 200 year + British Empire or even older empires is moot.

 

[xizhimen]

When push comes to shove, the democratic civilized world has had to pool their resources to stand upto and take on brutal regimes - Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and now Xi. Nothing new in this.

Do you know both Hitler and Mussolini went to power through so called “democratic elections”?

 

[Blackbeardsgoldfish]

We can argue till the cows come home. Stalin died with 7-8 years of end of WW2. What he built didn't even last 40 years. A comparison to a 200 year + British Empire or even older empires is moot.

Oh sure, we can stop, there isn't any point to this anyway, and the sun will stop rising in the morning before willful ignorance stops being a worldview.

 

[Jackdaws]

Do you know both Hitler and Mussolini went to power through so called “democratic elections”?

I don't know what they teach in China. But Mussolini's party seized power through a "March on Rome".

 

[xizhimen]

I don't know what they teach in China. But Mussolini's party seized power through a "March on Rome".

They both rose to prominance through forming political parties and entering democratic elections, without this so called democratic election, they wouldn't have any chance to start with. Democray is very dangerous when a whole nation goes mad.

 

[xizhimen]

In democracy, people tend to pick their like minded candidates, if the majority of the general public believe cow pee cures cancers, they will choose a candidate who also believes so, and the whole nation will be stuck in this stupidity forever. Fools like fools.

 

[Jackdaws]

They both rose to prominance through forming political parties and entering democratic elections, without this so called democratic election, they wouldn't have any chance to start with. Democray is very dangerous when a whole nation goes mad.

And how's Communism with its Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

 

[Jackdaws]

Oh sure, we can stop, there isn't any point to this anyway, and the sun will stop rising in the morning before willful ignorance stops being a worldview.

Indeed.

 

[xizhimen]

And how's Communism with its Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution?

It was a wrong policy, democratic or not, all governments made wrong policies some times, even they are with good intentions, they are just honest mistakes, a capable govenment has the ability, courage and will to correct mistakes and learn from them, an incapable government doesn't.

 

[xizhimen]

In China, it's true that radical, sensationlised reporting is being curbed and rising nationalism is being subdued by the government, because the govenment knows they are not good for the country, if China makes new policies and plans, they should be based on thorough research, study and discussion by the scholars and experts, not by strong public sentiment, public sentiment never does feasibility check, more often than not public sentiments end up hurting the country instead of helping. and potential Hitlers and Mussolinis may use and take advantage of stupid public sentiment to seize power through elections.