Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Jagdflieger]

Well, for now he lost whole Baltic sea, Its now all NATO and russia can scrap their Baltic fleet.

They have Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg - that is where their Baltic fleet is presently stationed.

 

[schuimpjes]

totalitarian Marxist hellhole

It’s not like China marxist anymore now. Look how much private investors there now, Mao must be rolling in his grave now for there are class there now, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, instead of proletariat state where the whole people basically just workers and farmers and productions capitalize by the people (practically state through SoE, state farm and collective farm). I think now is good tho economically, based Deng Xiaoping.

I would just called them totalitarian or autocratic state now which people can only doing submission to the state (or party) without they can change the government like in democratic society.

 

[Jagdflieger]

....autocratic state now which people can only doing submission to the state (or party) without they can change the government like in democratic society.

Not really - they have community and city committees were people are free to bring in complaints - and they are doing it more and more. It's is the CCP job to listen to those complaints and take respective action - which is mostly the case. As long as the respective information is correct - even bloggers or social media platforms are free to be used. But Beijing certainly has a hard stance in differentiating between "simply inciting unrest" and "rightful complaints".

 

[schuimpjes]

Not really - they have community and city committees were people are free to bring in complaints - and they are doing it more and more. It's is the CCP job to listen to those complaints and take respective action - which is mostly the case. As long as the respective information is correct - even bloggers or social media platforms are free to be used. But Beijing certainly has a hard stance in differentiating between "simply inciting unrest" and "rightful complaints".

If just receiving complains, lots of absolute monarchies (were) also same tho lol

 

[Jagdflieger]

still, cause of this war, now n for the future, NATOs weaponry will and always stick in front putin/russias nose(UA)

It sure looks that way - and Putin's "vision" is to change that. And Ukraine to him is not just about NATO but to set territorial boundaries in Russia's favor.
And IMO - he is not going to give up on that policy.

 

[Ryder]

And Putin aka the Russian government is willing to pay that price - knowing that NATO in Ukraine being just 500km from Moscow - will be a far more heavier price to pay in the future.

Russia's own foreign policy blunders led to the expansion of nato.

Now you have lots of countries joining up. Like Sweden, Finland, Bosnia, Georgia and Ukraine. Matter of time before Azerbaijan joins in one day. While Austria and Switzerland are questioning their neutrality status.

Russia just wants its old land back regardless if it was ruled by the Tsars or Soviets.

 

[schuimpjes]

set territorial boundaries in Russia's favor

So Putin just put his borders anywhere he wants huh lol

 

[Ryder]

So Putin just put his borders anywhere he wants huh lol

They also have hunger for warm water ports hence why they constantly fight and invade their neighbours.

Russia is in a bottle neck it does not own the Baltic Sea, Black Sea or the Pacific ocean. While most of its territory is covered with icy ports. Hence why Russia has invested in costly ice breakers especially for the arctic.

 

[schuimpjes]

Austria and Switzerland

De facto, these countries are already NATO if you consider their Cold War ‘stay behind networks’ back then as NATO stuff. Like Swiss P-26 and Austrian ‘hiking society something’ during the Cold War.

 

[Jagdflieger]

If just receiving complains, lots of absolute monarchies (were) also same tho lol

Sure - an absolute monarch usually ignores it's citizens requests. The CCP would be ill advised to not react accordingly to justified demands by it's citizens.

If democracy would solve all this, then why are there constantly huge demonstrations in these countries? Aren't the political representatives of the voters responsible for adhering to their demands? then why demonstrations? Why not go and visit your parties office and file a complaint?

 

[Jagdflieger]

So Putin just put his borders anywhere he wants huh lol

If no one stops him, or is able to stop him - yes off course - that is his "vision" after all.

 

[schuimpjes]

They also have hunger for warm water ports hence why they constantly fight and invade their neighbours.

Stupid step no joke. This is the recipe to be ostracized by many influential countries. That’s why he must be ostracized by sanctions to force him go back and doing business as usual again.

 

[schuimpjes]

If democracy would solve all this, then why are there constantly huge demonstrations in these countries? Aren't the political representatives of the voters responsible for adhering to their demands? then why demonstrations? Why not go and visit your parties office and file a complaint?

The parliament is filled by people representatives from many parties. All bills have to past through there first before signed by President or PM. And its normal to ask for something of certain groups demand, back again, its not that only part of group that protest prioritize, have to be past through parliament first.

If certain people felt like nothing fit their demand, they can gather others like minded and make their own party or bloc inside the parties. About that party or bloc influential or not back to democratic mechanism again.

This is theoretical explanation that the practical should be like this too

 

[Jagdflieger]

The parliament is filled by people representatives from many parties. All bills have to past through there first before signed by President or PM. And its normal to ask for something of certain groups demand, back again, its not that only part of group that protest prioritize, have to be past through parliament first.

If certain people felt like nothing fit their demand, they can gather others like minded and make their own party or bloc inside the parties. About that party or bloc influential or not back to democratic mechanism again.

This is theoretical explanation that the practical should be like this too

Theoretical - yes

 

[Jagdflieger]

Stupid step no joke. This is the recipe to be ostracized by many influential countries. That’s why he must be ostracized by sanctions to force him go back and doing business as usual again.

Absolutely - and Putin has the same thoughts towards NATO and the USA.
Aside from territorial gains, thus enhancing economic and political gains on both sides, this whole issue is about two systems confronting each other - authoritarian contra democracy. - that all there is to it.

 

[Era_shield]

It’s not like China marxist anymore now. Look how much private investors there now, Mao must be rolling in his grave now for there are class there now, the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, instead of proletariat state where the whole people basically just workers and farmers and productions capitalize by the people (practically state through SoE, state farm and collective farm). I think now is good tho economically, based Deng Xiaoping.

I would just called them totalitarian or autocratic state now which people can only doing submission to the state (or party) without they can change the government like in democratic society.

Marxism is nothing but a scam to gain power.

 

[Era_shield]

Russia says it withdrew from Snake Island:

https://ria.ru/20220630/zmeinyy-1799211082.html

(machine translation below)


The Ministry of Defense announced the withdrawal of the garrison from the Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill

MOSCOW, June 30 - RIA Novosti. Russia has withdrawn its troops from Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill, the Defense Ministry said.
"Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not interfere with the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine," the ministry noted.

They also stressed that such a step would deprive Kiev of the opportunity to speculate on the problem of the food crisis, hiding behind the "impossibility" of exporting grain due to the control of Russian troops.

The ministry added that now, in order to resume supplies, the Ukrainian side must clear the Black Sea coast , off its coast, including port waters.

The UN has repeatedly stated the threat of a food crisis due to a shortage of grain, the West accused Russia of counteracting the supply of Ukrainian grain to world markets, Moscow categorically denied such accusations. At the same time, the Kiev authorities themselves created many obstacles to export: in addition to the arson of grain that was revealed in the Mariupol port, the Armed Forces of Ukraine mined some areas of the Black Sea , which does not allow grain to be transported to world markets by ships.
President Vladimir Putin said that Russia does not prevent the export of grain from Ukraine , if Kiev clears the ports of mines, ships with grain will be able to leave without any problems.

 

[Gary]

They have Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg - that is where their Baltic fleet is presently stationed.

They'll be next to useless

 

[Gary]

Russia says it withdrew from Snake Island:

https://ria.ru/20220630/zmeinyy-1799211082.html

(machine translation below)


The Ministry of Defense announced the withdrawal of the garrison from the Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill

MOSCOW, June 30 - RIA Novosti. Russia has withdrawn its troops from Zmeiny Island as a gesture of goodwill, the Defense Ministry said.
"Thus, it has been demonstrated to the world community that the Russian Federation does not interfere with the efforts of the UN to organize a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine," the ministry noted.

They also stressed that such a step would deprive Kiev of the opportunity to speculate on the problem of the food crisis, hiding behind the "impossibility" of exporting grain due to the control of Russian troops.

The ministry added that now, in order to resume supplies, the Ukrainian side must clear the Black Sea coast , off its coast, including port waters.

The UN has repeatedly stated the threat of a food crisis due to a shortage of grain, the West accused Russia of counteracting the supply of Ukrainian grain to world markets, Moscow categorically denied such accusations. At the same time, the Kiev authorities themselves created many obstacles to export: in addition to the arson of grain that was revealed in the Mariupol port, the Armed Forces of Ukraine mined some areas of the Black Sea , which does not allow grain to be transported to world markets by ships.
President Vladimir Putin said that Russia does not prevent the export of grain from Ukraine , if Kiev clears the ports of mines, ships with grain will be able to leave without any problems.

It's always a gesture of goodwill since Kyiv retreat

 

[Vergennes]

So Russians "withdrew" from Snake Island as a "gesture of goodwill",just like in Kyiv,Chernihiv,Sumy...