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[Kartal1]

Actually thinking a little we come to a simple conclusion;
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And few with these;
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Lastly, after a Navy is trained, few of these for rapid intervention.
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Minimal needed infastructure for maintenance, easy to operate, highly protected and agile systems for CO&IN and anti-piracy.

NTPB + Inspection Boats + Ares OPV. These two are very suitable to launch a Navy from scratch. NTPB is a multi-purpose, small craft that is easy to handle in shipyards (that can be even lifted and maintained on the Pier, not requiring a Dock. Or improve Inspection boats a little with a STAMP;

NTPB costs $10 million, each inspection boat goes as low as $1 million or even less, a larger variant with STAMP shall not cost a lot either and there are larger versions of the Inspection Boat.

We can subsidize them all, train the crew / personnel within 3 years and field in 5 years and then make of the costs. But prior to these, we need skilled fisherman and fisheries that can operate at those seas, utilize high tech equipment and marine research to make use of the sources. I am doubting if we have any enterprise level skilled fishermen, companies from north would be likely holders of the license we grant.

Actually according to Wikipedia they already operate at least 11 MRTP16s and other light boats in small quantities. Of course, it is not even near enough to patrol effectively Somali waters, but it is a start at least.

What we are probably going to do with the Somali Navy, we previously did in Libya to some extent. Libyan personnel came in Turkiye for training, but also the Turkish Navy regularly conducts training courses aimed at improvement of the professional qualities of the Libyan Navy/Coast Guard personnel. They have some limited capability to patrol their waters, they even successfully completed an EOD operation overseen by the Turkish Navy, but in Libya there is another problem that may be a common problem with what is to come in Somalia.

Many of the Libyan Navy/Coast Guard personnel are in contact with smugglers and criminal gangs busy with refugee smuggling. In this sense the operations regarding illegal migration are not as effective. I fear that a similar situation may erupt within the Somali Navy as it expands in both personnel number and technical capabilities. This is why we need to oversee the work of the intelligence and the public security forces of Somalia in order to prevent corruption or illegal collaboration with pirates or other smugglers as much as possible. This is of crucial importance so our investments regarding the security of Somali waters don't go in vain.

What I am happy about is that the Turkish Navy gradually expands its footprint and ensure its presence wherever there are Turkish interests. I am glad that the Navy is also getting new capabilities so we can provide security to our military and diplomatic missions along with securing effectively our business interests by showing our deterrence. Slowly, but surely we are getting there!

 

[dBSPL]

Our veteran cadet training ship TCG Sokullu Mehmet Paşa retired with a ceremony. Probably very soon the sister ship Cezayirli Hasan Paşa will also be retired. If I am not mistaken, they were the oldest ships in our navy. They were purchased in the 1990s and joined the Turkish Navy as training ships. They were very active ships that made many overseas port visits during their duty, and trained many naval officers.

 

[Anmdt]

Our veteran cadet training ship TCG Sokullu Mehmet Paşa retired with a ceremony. Probably very soon the sister ship Cezayirli Hasan Paşa will also be retired. If I am not mistaken, they were the oldest ships in our navy. They were purchased in the 1990s and joined the Turkish Navy as training ships. They were very active ships that made many overseas port visits during their duty, and trained many naval officers.

Ah yes memories,.

I hope we are going to introduce another school & training & ship soon to the service. No doubts any shipyard (among the elite ones) can handle it now. With everything coming forward we already need one proper test ship, but anyway there is lack of commitment from all parties towards that. Let it be part of duties so the design can be considersd in lieu with it.

TCG Ufuk isn't quite a test or training ship for basic equipment, or in common sense with Sokullu Mehmet Pasa. It is oriented for EW & Intelligence based equipment - platform tests, training of the personnel on this field. A specialized test and training platform.

 

[dBSPL]

Ah yes memories,.

I hope we are going to introduce another school & training & ship soon to the service. No doubts any shipyard (among the elite ones) can handle it now. With everything coming forward we already need one proper test ship, but anyway there is lack of commitment from all parties towards that. Let it be part of duties so the design can be considersd in lieu with it.

TCG Ufuk isn't quite a test or training ship for basic equipment, or in common sense with Sokullu Mehmet Pasa. It is oriented for EW & Intelligence based equipment - platform tests, training of the personnel on this field. A specialized test and training platform.

Although the state of modern naval ships has largely left the need for tender ships behind, I would like to see such versatile ships reinterpreted in a way that incorporates today's new approaches and technologies. Although we used the Rhein class as a cadet ship, it was a platform with sufficient self-defense for its times, powerful engines that can tow any ship, supply and command capabilities according to the conditions of the period.

Today, I would love to see some kind of offshore support and assistance vessel with a displacement of 1500-2000t in our navy that can also operate multiple USVs and VTOL UAVs. This ship could also be a cadet ship.

Could it be Yavuz class is next cadet ship in the current navy's combat fleet? Or LST Osman Bey could continue to be used for this purpose in terms of living quarters facilities.

 

[Anmdt]

Although the state of modern naval ships has largely left the need for tender ships behind, I would like to see such versatile ships reinterpreted in a way that incorporates today's new approaches and technologies. Although we used the Rhein class as a cadet ship, it was a platform with sufficient self-defense for its times, powerful engines that can tow any ship, supply and command capabilities according to the conditions of the period.

Today, I would love to see some kind of offshore support and assistance vessel with a displacement of 1500-2000t in our navy that can also operate multiple USVs and VTOL UAVs. This ship could also be a cadet ship.

Could it be Yavuz class is next cadet ship in the current navy's combat fleet? Or LST Osman Bey could continue to be used for this purpose in terms of living quarters facilities.

Yavuz class deserves to retire, in my opinion. The rush for additional I-class stems from this. Sarucabey was set to retire as well, Osman Bey could have been oriented merely for 5 to 10 years in such a role.

So obviously we need a new ship that incorporates new technologies, not necessarily based on existing class and we may even utilize CTS of Anadolu Shipyard.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Sokollu and Cezayirli was a old and disaster ship for cadets. They all experienced worst ships of navy in the beginning of his carriers.

We need new training ships.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Turkish Navy’s submarines are getting stronger with national systems

Gür-class submarines will be equipped with national and modern systems. STM, Türkiye's naval engineering power, has assumed the responsibility for

en.defenceturk.net

 

[Saithan]

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Great news, usv ready for civilian duty

 

[Boz]

 

[uçuyorum]

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Is this the most recent?
Aselsan Göksur is nice an glad to see they didn't give up 64 VLS.

 

[cr33pt3d]

is this the final design ? meaning we can expect a decision to start production of the first ship this year ?

 

[Altay_TR]

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The length of the ship has been shortened, its draft, displacement and speed reduced. In addition, 16xAtmaca SSM launchers were replaced by 32xMİDLAS (total number of VLSs 96). Also, the UMR, CFR, AYR configuration has been changed to UMR and CFR configuration.

 

[uçuyorum]

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The length of the ship has been shortened, its draft, displacement and speed reduced. In addition, 16xAtmaca SSM launchers were replaced by 32xMİDLAS (total number of VLSs 96). Also, the UMR, CFR, AYR configuration has been changed to UMR and CFR configuration.

Can you see 32 more? I can't quite tell, but it could be 80 or 96 I guess. I didn't notice lack of ATMACA until you said it.

 

[Sanchez]

I think Atmaca launchers are just not shown on the new images. No way navy goes for vertical launched ASM and bring about all that new development cost and lose VLS space.

 

[Afif]

80x VLS. That is actually a great decision.

16x cells= 64x HISAR D block ii. (Quad packed)
32x cells= 32x SIPER block ii.
16x cells= 16x Gezgin
16x cells= 16x Atmaca/future supersonic AShM

 

[Anmdt]

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Perhaps the basic design reached somewhere between 9500 and 10000 tonnes and Occam's razor had to be wielded. And there was a reduction in length. Not a fan of the new exhaust funnel-aft mast configuration. I hope they will merge these two structures and give in to something like the Omega design frigate. (Not exactly, but you get the idea).

I don't see any loss of capability with the CFR here. The module of CFR was of that size and they have compacted the installation and 45 degrees orientation is also a bonus, seem Mogami class for example, Japanese have oriented X-band AESA by 45 degrees offset in the latter block after trials (Someone studying the design well here). This is good news for most of our platforms. We have a compact X-band AESA installation for fixed configuration.

Nazar's new position is a big bonus for surface threats, UMTAS launchers are gone (it seems). I hope they keep the rear position for the 2nd Nazar.

Either we have unlocked AN-SPY6 level digitisation technology or we are cutting costs.

Nevertheless, with the new update in design i am assured of the second batch.​

 

[UkroTurk]

@Anmdt
Which one is ÇFR and which one is UMR?
ÇFR is bigger or vice versa?
Yellow UMR? Green ÇFR?
Çafrad seems poor

 

[Anmdt]

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@Anmdt
Which one is ÇFR and which one is UMR?
ÇFR is bigger or vice versa?
Yellow UMR? Green ÇFR?
Çafrad seems poor

Yellow CFR, green UMR. CFR's core was also about that size before, but with UMR now I have no idea about the size of the core. I think that with this size, from bridge to deck, the Navy has bet everything on this UMR. If they put in some proper data links then I might doubt the necessity of AYR as well (if UMR is as good as promised to track with finer quality than before). So yeah there seems to be a little downgrade here, but in my opinion the price is not being affected that much. Notice inclusion of Göksur (However the model looks like Levent) PDMS there, it is folding price of Gökdeniz.

And if, as promised, they get multi-static capability on the UMR by the time of commissioning or the test phase, that would be the crème de la crème.​

 

[Afif]

Yellow CFR, green UMR. CFR's core was also about that size before, but with UMR now I have no idea about the size of the core. I think that with this size, from bridge to deck, the Navy has bet everything on this UMR. If they put in some proper data links then I might doubt the necessity of AYR as well (if UMR is as good as promised to track with finer quality than before). So yeah there seems to be a little downgrade here, but in my opinion the price is not being affected that much. Notice inclusion of Göksur (However the model looks like Levent) PDMS there, it is folding price of Gökdeniz.

And if, as promised, they get multi-static capability on the UMR by the time of commissioning or the test phase, that would be the crème de la crème.​

So, in essence UMR will provide fire control beyond the range of CFR? Also, how likely it is that Aselsan got their first long range naval AESA sensor as good as SPY-6?

 

[Radko]

I guess they went with UMR being better and yeeting ESSMs, so not having AYR cuts down costs, weight and electrical power