Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Gary]

Too bad, I believe Russians would prefer her alive. After all the main motivation of the average Ivan is land and women.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783805341387358476

 

[UkroTurk]

F-16 fighters will arrive in Ukraine this year with trained pilots, Pentagon chief Lloyd Austin said.

Finally

 

[GoatsMilk]

I think there is a hidden strategy behind the slow supply:
Don't make the bear feeling as looser.

You know i also thought this of this for a long time. In a similar manner to how the Pakistani's told the americans when arming the taliban against the soviets to do it in small incremental steps, basically to take the boiling frog approach. But to me when things like when 30 tanks go while they got 8k in storage, it just looks like their taking the piss.

Its like you got 30 of the most developed nations on earth, who could all give 2% of their equipment and this war would be over. But Ukrainians got to keep begging for shells when they could of had much better stuff by now.

 

[Bluetooth]

Russian will eventually loose if support for Ukrainian continues.meanwhile zionist state and shia republic are destroying each other. once these three are out Türkiye will emerge as a world power. The number one player in the region.

 

[Ryder]

You know i also thought this of this for a long time. In a similar manner to how the Pakistani's told the americans when arming the taliban against the soviets to do it in small incremental steps, basically to take the boiling frog approach. But to me when things like when 30 tanks go while they got 8k in storage, it just looks like their taking the piss.

Its like you got 30 of the most developed nations on earth, who could all give 2% of their equipment and this war would be over. But Ukrainians got to keep begging for shells when they could of had much better stuff by now.

Russian strength has always been attrition and locking the enemy into a drawn out war thats how they won their enemies.

Dont forget 93 Harbi the Russians constantly threw their men at the Ottomans. They knew one day that the Ottoman Empire cant keep fighting forever.

People think its numbers but I think Russian success has come from mutiple factors people easily point out numbers or winter. Russians have succeeded in a lot of areas such as strategy, tech, environment, geopolitics and geography.

If Russians lose battles to them what matters is winning the war they are willing to go through the punishment.

Russians have suffered enormous casualties through out its history in particular in its own homeland. This has really shaped the narrative even if a million die it will not be in vain because the sacrifice was for the greater good.

 

[contricusc]

I mean why would they, as everyday Americans face rising cost of living, their government are busy spending money (that the U.S doesn't have) for foreign countries like Ukraine and Israel.

Well, Russians are fighting for their empire despite not having indoor plumbing. If poverty would be the reason why people don’t want to fight for their country, Russia would have more problems to get soldiers than the West.

The reason is actually the total opposite of what you (and the author of the article you cite) state.

People in the West are not willing to fight because thier standard of living is so high that they can’t really understand the threat of poverty and occupation. It is also the fact that people feel it is unfair to go fighting while 99% of the population still lives like kings and queens.

It is much easier to mobilize the ultra-poor to fight than it is to mobilize the well off. For the ultra-poor, life in the army with guaranteed food would not even be that bad, and the risk of losing their life is not such a bad deal, since their life is miserable anyway. On the other hand, for people who live well, the risks are not worth taking, and the burden is much bigger, because they are not used to hardships.

So your argument is really wrong. The West has a problem with military recruitment because it has a very high standard of living, not because people are poor and homeless.

 

[schuimpjes]

American Project Maven being tested in Ukraine. This is the effort by the US for what it called as “algorithmic warfare”.

Started as a project/program/initiative trusted to Google, but then Google back out after their employees argued that the companies should have nothing to do with this. Then after that transferred the project to 5 contractors, including Palantir that widely known for its military AI.

In Ukraine, New American Technology Won the Day. Until It Was Overwhelmed.

Project Maven was meant to revolutionize modern warfare. But the conflict in Ukraine has underscored how difficult it is to get 21st-century data into 19th-century trenches.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Soldier30]

Unique footage of a close flyby of a Russian Su-25SM3 attack aircraft next to a drone in Ukraine. Filming from a Russian drone, location unknown. Due to the close passage of the aircraft, the drone was thrown back by the aircraft's jet stream, from a height of 58 meters to 39 meters, the altitude sensor on the left.

 

[blackjack]

Russian will eventually loose if support for Ukrainian continues.meanwhile zionist state and shia republic are destroying each other. once these three are out Türkiye will emerge as a world power. The number one player in the region.

In order for Ukraine to convince me they will win the war among any user here they will have to provide.

1. What number of Russians are left in their own words from their military officials and what amount of funding and bodies do they really need to get rid of them like will this aid packag solve the problem?

2. Poland Lithuania blew their low casualties cover. Do they have a solid arguement that there are more military aged men as refugees outside of their country since the beginning of the war to be sufficient enough with manpower to thwart the Russians away from therir country?

What is currently known is

-right now we are at the point of no more game changing weapon ideas(they fucked up the F-16 reputation before they are about to receive them) nothing more to add on the list. The we are secretly giving Ukraine ATACMs lost its hype when they had them before.

-same amount of money and large mobilized forces of Ukraines counteroffensives have failed to push them out of the country.

-they are getting a more limited stock of firepower now than what they have received before.

-Putin stated in late January that there are 617,000 Russians involved in the conflict and further mobilization is not needed.

The casualties sound like they have to be a lot bigger than what they claim on the news If Poland and Lithuania's defense ministers have to send back military aged Ukrainian patriots that left the country and that is also why we might be seeing the frontline collapse with 2 major defense lines left. Ukraine can get all the support it wants but it looks like they are at the edge of the cliff. However Ukraine and the west have not explained how this funding will defeat the russians or how the number of troops they have would be enough to beat the russians in a long-lasting war. Putin said mobilization is no longer needed after 617,000 and General Shoigui sated the conflict will end somewhere in 2025.......Did Ukraine even provide us here what will be their last mobilization, what amount do they really need or when the war will end to defeat the Russians based on how they are statistically doing in the current war effort?

This is why Julian Roepke and Gary went to the dark side.

 

[Gary]

Well, Russians are fighting for their empire despite not having indoor plumbing. If poverty would be the reason why people don’t want to fight for their country, Russia would have more problems to get soldiers than the West.

But they don't. Russians actually rallied behind Putin.

One of the reasons why they fight is because they know the glory and reward for fighting eventually goes into their country's pocket. This is not the same with the average American Joe, who views that most of their country's good and greatness are being sent to countries abroad while they suffer.

If you look at the MAGA movements and their talking points, it's mainly about how great America and Americans will be if all their money is being kept inside the country. Real or perceived.

The reason is actually the total opposite of what you (and the author of the article you cite) state.

People in the West are not willing to fight because thier standard of living is so high that they can’t really understand the threat of poverty and occupation. It is also the fact that people feel it is unfair to go fighting while 99% of the population still lives like kings and queens.

The Americans has always had a very high standard of living (compared to the rest of the world) but only now we're seeing this kind of lamenting

It is much easier to mobilize the ultra-poor to fight than it is to mobilize the well off. For the ultra-poor, life in the army with guaranteed food would not even be that bad, and the risk of losing their life is not such a bad deal, since their life is miserable anyway. On the other hand, for people who live well, the risks are not worth taking, and the burden is much bigger, because they are not used to hardships.

I don't understand this propaganda of Russia being ultra-poor, yes they're not the richest and have always been known as the poor man's empire, but ultra-poor? Russia's GDP per capita is $14,391, that higher than Malaysia ($13,315), Turkiye ($12,765), Argentina ($12,812), and the Dominican Republic where you reside ($11,774)

So your argument is really wrong. The West has a problem with military recruitment because it has a very high standard of living, not because people are poor and homeless.

There are SOOOO many reasons why the West is having (and will continue having) problems with military recruitment. This is just one of the many reasons.

And most of it doesn't have any quick fix

 

[Relic]

USA announced the details of a $6 Billion usd aid package for Ukraine. This package will be paid for out of USAI funds and will be procured directly from U.S. and Allied industry. The package is enormous and consists of the following....

- PAC-3 Patriot air defense missiles
- AIM-9 air defense missiles
- AIM-120 AMRAAM air defense missiles
- GMLRS for HIMARS
- 155mm artillery shells
- 152mm artillery shells
- Precision aerial munitions (JDAMS)
- Switchblade kamikaze UAVs
- PUMA UAVs
- Tactical Towing Vehicles
- Equipment for Ukrainian UAS production
- Counter artillery radars
- Multi-mission radars
- Counter UAS systems
- Laser guided rockets
- Equipment to integrate Western and Ukrainian air defense systems
- Demolition munitions
- Small arms and ammunition
- Ancillary items and spare parts
- Training and sustainment

Biden Administration Announces Historic New Security Assistance Package for Ukraine

DOD announced a new security assistance package to address Ukraine's ongoing battlefield needs and demonstrate unwavering U.S. support.

www.defense.gov

 

[Gary]

Still unconfirmed, take with a pinch of salt.

Ukrainian troops defending Semenovka and Berdychi is negotiating surrender.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784157064870183013

 

[Gary]

Arkhangekske ----

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783552216445399221

I think the liberation of Keramik and Arkhangleske is near

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784199043305894144

 

[B_A]

But they don't. Russians actually rallied behind Putin.

One of the reasons why they fight is because they know the glory and reward for fighting eventually goes into their country's pocket. This is not the same with the average American Joe, who views that most of their country's good and greatness are being sent to countries abroad while they suffer.

If you look at the MAGA movements and their talking points, it's mainly about how great America and Americans will be if all their money is being kept inside the country. Real or perceived.





The Americans has always had a very high standard of living (compared to the rest of the world) but only now we're seeing this kind of lamenting



I don't understand this propaganda of Russia being ultra-poor, yes they're not the richest and have always been known as the poor man's empire, but ultra-poor? Russia's GDP per capita is $14,391, that higher than Malaysia ($13,315), Turkiye ($12,765), Argentina ($12,812), and the Dominican Republic where you reside ($11,774)



There are SOOOO many reasons why the West is having (and will continue having) problems with military recruitment. This is just one of the many reasons.

And most of it doesn't have any quick fix

Russia being ultra-poor meant they use the poor part of Russian,such as Siberia or far east people to fight,not the Moscow and other rich city.

Of course in some places of TC,Turks also ultra-poor and much willing to fight than istanbul or izmir

 

[Relic]

Andrew Perpetua's visually confirmed and geolocated losses for Russia and Ukraine, Friday, April 26th.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784173843990692097

 

[contricusc]

But they don't. Russians actually rallied behind Putin.

One of the reasons why they fight is because they know the glory and reward for fighting eventually goes into their country's pocket. This is not the same with the average American Joe, who views that most of their country's good and greatness are being sent to countries abroad while they suffer.

No, they fight for money, their personal salary, not for the glory of their country. Russia recruits from the very poor regions where many people have no job or a very low income. For those people, the money earned in the military are significant and there is pressure from their families to get the military job. Poverty is the main factor.

If you look at the MAGA movements and their talking points, it's mainly about how great America and Americans will be if all their money is being kept inside the country. Real or perceived.

The MAGA movement is just the most basic form of manipulation applied on the uneducated. It works in every country, not only in the US. You tell the uneducated: “Hey, all these money spent on others, we could give it to you” and they will vote you and love you. This is how populism works.

The Americans has always had a very high standard of living (compared to the rest of the world) but only now we're seeing this kind of lamenting

They stopped the war in Vietnam for the same rasons. “It’s not our war, not our business to defend other countries” has been around since Vietnam.

I don't understand this propaganda of Russia being ultra-poor, yes they're not the richest and have always been known as the poor man's empire, but ultra-poor? Russia's GDP per capita is $14,391, that higher than Malaysia ($13,315), Turkiye ($12,765), Argentina ($12,812), and the Dominican Republic where you reside ($11,774)

It’s not about the country’s average, it is about Russia having very large parts of the country in extreme poverty. The army recruits mostly from the ultra-poor regions. In the wealthy parts of Russia (Moscow and St. Petersburg) you don’t see people so eager to join the army. Moscovites are more like Westerners, they just want to enjoy their good life.

There are SOOOO many reasons why the West is having (and will continue having) problems with military recruitment. This is just one of the many reasons.

And most of it doesn't have any quick fix

This is not the only reason, but it is the main one. People who can earn a decent living without risking their lives and with little effort are not incentivized to join the military. It’s that simple.

You need areas with extreme poverty in order to have a large pool of selection for the military. That’s why people are so brave in Yemen or Afghanistan, because they are ultra poor, while the Saudis are “cowards” as you call them, because they are very wealthy.

In the end, it all boils down to money. People with money don’t want to die needlessly for someone else’s war. Poor people on the other hand, they would risk their lives for money.

 

[Packetlight]

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Russian will eventually loose if support for Ukrainian continues.meanwhile zionist state and Shia republic are destroying each other. once these three are out Türkiye will emerge as a world power. The number one player in the region.

Russia losing this war is an impossible dream and the idea of Zionists and the Shias destroying themselves won't happen .

 

[Gary]

No, they fight for money, their personal salary, not for the glory of their country. Russia recruits from the very poor regions where many people have no job or a very low income. For those people, the money earned in the military are significant and there is pressure from their families to get the military job. Poverty is the main factor.

And you think the West is any different?

"In England, from 2013 to 2018, army recruitment of 16- and 17-year-olds was 57 percent higher in the poorest fifth of constituencies than the richest fifth. Army recruiters tend to focus on the poorest towns and cities, particularly families with an annual income of around £10,000 ($12,500), according to a 2019 report from the Child Rights International Network."​

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https://defencehub.live/threads/why-the-us-and-uk-are-facing-a-military-recruitment-crisis.19303/

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The MAGA movement is just the most basic form of manipulation applied on the uneducated. It works in every country, not only in the US. You tell the uneducated: “Hey, all these money spent on others, we could give it to you” and they will vote you and love you. This is how populism works.

Call it what you want. But MAGA is something you would expect when there's an economic downturn and your government is busy spending money on other nations.

It's completely normal.

They stopped the war in Vietnam for the same rasons. “It’s not our war, not our business to defend other countries” has been around since Vietnam.

The counter-culture movement of the 60s is what you would expect from a disenfranchised population that is no longer able to tolerate when their citizenship generates more loss than gain.

The same we're seeing now. As I said, the moment the West fought a major war which requires the sacrifice of many men, that's the moment they realize that their population is no longer willing to do the burden.

It’s not about the country’s average, it is about Russia having very large parts of the country in extreme poverty. The army recruits mostly from the ultra-poor regions. In the wealthy parts of Russia (Moscow and St. Petersburg) you don’t see people so eager to join the army. Moscovites are more like Westerners, they just want to enjoy their good life.



This is not the only reason, but it is the main one. People who can earn a decent living without risking their lives and with little effort are not incentivized to join the military. It’s that simple.

IMO the Americans experienced their peak when it comes to quality of life around the 50s to early 60s. When the Vietnam War just started, families would enthusiastically gather in front of their TVs to listen to the latest developments in Viet Nam. Young men age 18 would tell their family and friends that they're serving.

HISTORY

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www.history.com

Between 1945 and 1960, the gross national product more than doubled, growing from $200 billion to more than $500 billion, kicking off “the Golden Age of American Capitalism.” Much of this increase came from government spending: The construction of interstate highways and schools, the distribution of veterans’ benefits and most of all the increase in military spending–on goods like airplanes and new technologies like computers–all contributed to the decade’s economic growth. Rates of unemployment and inflation were low, and wages were high. Middle-class people had more money to spend than ever–and, because the variety and availability of consumer goods expanded along with the economy, they also had more things to buy.

If your theory is all about "Good life = not willing to sacrifice" then it doesn't explain why Americans in the 50s are so eager to join the war in Vietnam.

You need areas with extreme poverty in order to have a large pool of selection for the military. That’s why people are so brave in Yemen or Afghanistan, because they are ultra poor, while the Saudis are “cowards” as you call them, because they are very wealthy.

In the end, it all boils down to money. People with money don’t want to die needlessly for someone else’s war. Poor people on the other hand, they would risk their lives for money.

Which in the end dictates who will prevail.

This is no longer the immediate post-Cold War era, where American power could dictate the behavior of other countries from their embassies. The era where the one's having more money will prevail is basically over.

 

[blackjack]

ehh this conversation of only poor people enlist to fights can apply to any country. School systems in the US show if Asians come from good income families over power ones they score higher than Asians from lower income families. So this brings an interesting topic.

ICPC

The International Collegiate Programming Contest is an algorithmic programming contest for college students. Teams of three, representing their university, work to solve the most real-world problems, fostering collaboration, creativity, innovation, and the ability to perform under pressure...

icpc.global

The creator for whatever reason did not want to transfer the USSR gold medals to the Russian ones or they would be 1st place for most gold medals in math and phsyics. All the US students for ICPC, Math and Physics world wide competitions all look Chinese. The west is in a dangerous situation of having low white population birth rates while flooding their countries with african, arab and latin American migrants. Since BRICS intention is to replace the dollar and they are expanding their economy with Ukraine as new territory, making deals with Africa, exploring the arctic for resources, the economies of China and Russia will further improve and most would not want to move to the west if the west turned their own countries into shitholes. Not everyone in this world is created equal.

The NWO is going to collapse and the west will go from having Jewish overlords to Chinese/Russian overlords. I dont think the west will stay silent getting ass fucked because if they lose Ukraine they lose whatever power they worked hard for completely vanish away.

 

[Gary]

Still unconfirmed, take with a pinch of salt.

Ukrainian troops defending Semenovka and Berdychi is negotiating surrender.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784157064870183013

Berdychi has been confirmed as liberated

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784356857068613655