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Can we bring all E/O systems, sensors, radar, antennas etc, under one hull, like the "Visby" frigates, for more stealth property?
 

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Can we bring all E/O systems, sensors, radar, antennas etc, under one hull, like the "Visby" frigates, for more stealth property?
Visby is an extreme example for stealthy measures and one would question if it worths the buck and the trouble. Most navies focus on functionality and maintainability. The ship itself is also made of composites so the remaining of measures have been meaningful for them but again composite structures beyond a size is not easy to build or put together with steel.

For the E/O system it either needs to be retractable or with angled glass surfaces similar to IRST/EOTS on the airplanes and embedded to hull with a reflector on top. For the radar it is common to use. From this logic we can apply IRST/EOTS technologies from stealth airplanes on the naval platforms but i don't know how applicable it is.

It also depends on which platform we are specifically talking about, or which E/O. Ahtapot E/O or also tracking radars would rather require a retractable mount. PIRI IRST possibly could be placed in a glass container and mounted in a mast (like it will possibly be done for TF-2000 in latter stages).
 

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The ship itself is also made of composites so the remaining of measures have been meaningful for them but again composite structures beyond a size is not easy to build or put together with steel.
If they ever venture out from the Baltic sea, those ships would snap in two like that Ukrainian freighter that sank in the Black sea.
 

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If they ever venture out from the Baltic sea, those ships would snap in two like that Ukrainian freighter that sank in the Black sea.

Contrary to most "novel design" offices, Saab ensures the strength of the hull with full scale shock* and high speed high seas trials. They also work closely with DNV which is one of the well known classification society if it is about high speed or military crafts (note: even Turkish MRTP SOF's are certified by DNV)

Unlike the common ways, Swedes here conduct the tests successively in a controlled area - lake instead of open seas to better isolate environmental effects.

Visby is a good but very expensive design where Saab and other contractors have poured crazy amount of money to get it work, through a decade or more. And now Saab highly benefits from this experience by producing composite supperstructures - masts and selling it globally and being the only address for such designs.
 

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"In the photos shared by USS Wasp during the exercise, the MV-22 Ospray Tiltrotor aircraft taking off from USS Wasp performed landing and take-off training on TCG ANADOLU."

As expected :) Seems COs of Wasp, 4th amphip group and the 24th MEU also visited Anadolu. We haven't seen much about it in the media, but this was a pretty big occasion. Less so for the training but the diplomacy part.

 

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To address the point defence needs of Turkish surface combatants, Aselsan is developing the Göksur, and Roketsan is working on the Levent point defence missile systems. Both systems are currently in the development phase and are expected to begin trials soon.

According to a U.S. House of Representatives report, the U.S. government approved the FMS of 94 RIM-116 missiles for the Turkish Navy




According to the report, the FMS, valued at $90 million, includes the sale of 94 Mk 44 MOD 4 (tactical) RAM Guided Missile Round Packs, 3 Mk 47 MOD 9 telemeter missiles, and 1 blast test vehicle. The package also covers transportation and storage containers, as well as technical data from the U.S. Navy’s RAM Program Office on behalf of RAM-System GmbH (RAMSYS) for the Turkish Navy.

The missiles will be deployed on the Turkish Navy’s ADA-class corvettes, which are equipped with the RAM point defence missile system as part of their self-defence capabilities. Originally, the system was intended to be installed on I-class frigates, but after U.S. sanctions were imposed, the Turkish defence industry opted to mount the indigenous Gökdeniz 35-mm close-in weapon system (CIWS) on the TCG Istanbul instead.

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Even then it has only enough to fill the 21 slot on each ship and leave very little sparea counting the ones on the launchers, probably enough for just 1 ships worth of spares. Wouldn't last in an actual war.
 

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According to a U.S. House of Representatives report, the U.S. government approved the FMS of 94 RIM-116 missiles for the Turkish Navy




According to the report, the FMS, valued at $90 million, includes the sale of 94 Mk 44 MOD 4 (tactical) RAM Guided Missile Round Packs, 3 Mk 47 MOD 9 telemeter missiles, and 1 blast test vehicle. The package also covers transportation and storage containers, as well as technical data from the U.S. Navy’s RAM Program Office on behalf of RAM-System GmbH (RAMSYS) for the Turkish Navy.

The missiles will be deployed on the Turkish Navy’s ADA-class corvettes, which are equipped with the RAM point defence missile system as part of their self-defence capabilities. Originally, the system was intended to be installed on I-class frigates, but after U.S. sanctions were imposed, the Turkish defence industry opted to mount the indigenous Gökdeniz 35-mm close-in weapon system (CIWS) on the TCG Istanbul instead.

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They are like clockwork.

As soon as our own projects seems to be materializing, they approved RAM's.
 

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Even then it has only enough to fill the 21 slot on each ship and leave very little sparea counting the ones on the launchers, probably enough for just 1 ships worth of spares. Wouldn't last in an actual war.
Turkey originally got 125 missiles for 4 Ada Class ships. There was also a DSCA notice from 2016 for 150 more for I Class and Anadolu but as far as I remember, that sale never happened. So this is actually about an 80% increase in the missile stock. And now Turkey only asked for more missiles for Ada Class ships, which will probably be enough for the type's remaining service life. As we know, we never put RAM on I Class or the Anadolu. So, good business, saves us from having to replace those RAMs during Ada Class' MLU.
 

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They are like clockwork.

As soon as our own projects seems to be materializing, they approved RAM's.

We've could have withdrawn our request, but didnt.
Why? Because some smart people know that we need it.
 

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''To address the point defence needs of Turkish surface combatants, Aselsan is developing the Göksur, and Roketsan is working on the Levent point defence missile systems. Both systems are currently in the development phase and are expected to begin trials soon.'' Eventhouh this is a general statment...would/will be interesting to have 3 diffrent point deffence systems :devilish:

@Anmdt is it RAM block 2? since İf I am not wrong only Block 2 is in production



Weapon System combines the Mk 44 Guided Missile Round Pack and Mk 49 Guided Missile Launching System ... Mk 44 MOD 4? could you explaine what this MOD 4 stands for?
 
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''To address the point defence needs of Turkish surface combatants, Aselsan is developing the Göksur, and Roketsan is working on the Levent point defence missile systems. Both systems are currently in the development phase and are expected to begin trials soon.'' Eventhouh this is a general statment...would/will be interesting to have 3 diffrent point deffence systems :devilish:

@Anmdt is it RAM block 2? since İf am not wrong only Block 2 is in production



Weapon System combines the Mk 44 Guided Missile Round Pack and Mk 49 Guided Missile Launching System ... Mk 44 MOD 4? could you explaine what this MOD 4 stands for?
Mod 4 is the designation for Block 2/A. Newest Block 2B is referred as Mod 6.
 

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So we'll be able to conduct tests and compare performance with our own indigenous RAM right ?
 

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To address the point defence needs of Turkish surface combatants, Aselsan is developing the Göksur, and Roketsan is working on the Levent point defence missile systems. Both systems are currently in the development phase and are expected to begin trials soon.

According to a U.S. House of Representatives report, the U.S. government approved the FMS of 94 RIM-116 missiles for the Turkish Navy




According to the report, the FMS, valued at $90 million, includes the sale of 94 Mk 44 MOD 4 (tactical) RAM Guided Missile Round Packs, 3 Mk 47 MOD 9 telemeter missiles, and 1 blast test vehicle. The package also covers transportation and storage containers, as well as technical data from the U.S. Navy’s RAM Program Office on behalf of RAM-System GmbH (RAMSYS) for the Turkish Navy.

The missiles will be deployed on the Turkish Navy’s ADA-class corvettes, which are equipped with the RAM point defence missile system as part of their self-defence capabilities. Originally, the system was intended to be installed on I-class frigates, but after U.S. sanctions were imposed, the Turkish defence industry opted to mount the indigenous Gökdeniz 35-mm close-in weapon system (CIWS) on the TCG Istanbul instead.

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As far as i can remember I-class had CIWS, Phalanx initially and then Gökdeniz (just like DIMDEG, B-YOM); planned to use ESSM as PDMS. There was RAM only for a brief time, on early concepts of I-Class and when they switched to Phalanx we had no issues with procuring RAM, it was more of a matter of cost management (and presence or RAM).

We skipped RAM on TCG Anadolu.
 

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İmported missiles are good for peace time but for war time if you can not get it,you could be in big trouble.,so to avoid this process you should make huge stocks.It is always superior to rely on your own resorces.
 

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İmported missiles are good for peace time but for war time if you can not get it,you could be in big trouble.,so to avoid this process you should make huge stocks.It is always superior to rely on your own resorces.
There are multiple limitations here. Navies don't have endless stocks on bases. Ships have limits on spare munitions they can carry. Reloading missiles, even as small as RIM-116 is not that easy. You fight with what you have, it's not even guaranteed you will be able to return to your base to reload.

Take the older Asagiri Class Destroyer and its Mk29 Sea Sparrow launcher. It has 8 ready to launch, 4 ready to reload, and 8 more that need to be readied before it can be reloaded. And this was a design that had a built in reloader on with a conveyor and winch built in the design.

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I mean 21 missiles ready is not too bad, but still wouldn't last for too many engagements on its own. Ada class needs hisar asap.
 
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