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[Afif]

Unnamed sources of Bloomberg strikes again.

"Turkey is pushing for a deal with an estimated value of about €5 billion ($5.6 billion) to buy at least 20 Eurofighter warplanes with an option to double the amount, the people said, asking not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter."

"The Turkish government also wants to buy Meteor guided missiles and has asked for access to Eurofighters’ mission computers to integrate domestic missile systems, the people said. "

Erdogan to Press for €5 Billion Jet Deal in Meeting With Scholz

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is pressing for Germany’s approval of Eurofighter Typhoon jet sales to Turkey, amid signs the two NATO allies are trying to improve t…

financialpost.com

If they sign deal early next year, the jets won't arrive before 2030. (For comparison Qatar signed the deal in 2017, their first delivery was in 2022.) Not to mention Spain, Italy and Germany has already placed orders for new batches.

 

[Lool]

If they sign deal early next year, the jets won't arrive before 2030. (For comparison Qatar signed the deal in 2017, their first delivery was in 2022.) Not to mention Spain, Italy and Germany has already placed orders for new batches.

Wrong
The EF that Turkey would buy, at least the first 20, would be given from the inventory of the British Air Force. The British Air Force wants to retire their tranche 3 fighters but as they are in good condition with lots of life service left, they are opting to sell it to Turkey with the topping being complete transfer of the computer's mission/software codes so that Turkey can integrate whatever they want on it
Therefore, if a deal is signed early next year, Turkey may receive the EF jets by the end of the same year

These are rumors from X sites so do take it with a grwin of salt although such sites are reputable with good level of authenticity

 

[Afif]

Wrong
The EF that Turkey would buy, at least the first 20, would be given from the inventory of the British Air Force. The British Air Force wants to retire their tranche 3 fighters but as they are in good condition with lots of life service left, they are opting to sell it to Turkey with the topping being complete transfer of the computer's mission/software codes so that Turkey can integrate whatever they want on it
Therefore, if a deal is signed early next year, Turkey may receive the EF jets by the end of the same year

False. There is no plan to retire any of trench 3 jets.

 

[Sanchez]

Wrong
The EF that Turkey would buy, at least the first 20, would be given from the inventory of the British Air Force. The British Air Force wants to retire their tranche 3 fighters but as they are in good condition with lots of life service left, they are opting to sell it to Turkey with the topping being complete transfer of the computer's mission/software codes so that Turkey can integrate whatever they want on it
Therefore, if a deal is signed early next year, Turkey may receive the EF jets by the end of the same year

These are rumors from X sites so do take it with a grwin of salt although such sites are reputable with good level of authenticity

None of this is guaranteed. When a possible sale of EFs were first touted, at the time there was continuous back and forth between UK and TR and UK was interested in offloading their old EF T1s. But from then on, Turkish officials always mentioned new aircraft, not old ones. This 5.6 billion$ deal in question for sure is in relation to new airframes and not T1s. We don't need German approval for ex RAF T1s anyhow.

It remains to be seen whether Turkey is interested in both T1s(to test and train with) and new T4/5s, but nothing suggests so far that "the first 20" are going to be T1s.

 

[Saithan]

You know, even if you are correcting what @Lool wrote it will just add to the confusion.

Just plainly ask for source since retiring Trance 3 has never been mentioned anywhere.

And Trance 1 are crap.

UK to retire Tranche 1 Typhoons with more than half of airframe hours remaining

The UK's recently revealed plan to prematurely retire its Tranche 1 Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft will see the fleet axed with more than half of its airframe...

www.janes.com

 

[Ryder]

Wrong
The EF that Turkey would buy, at least the first 20, would be given from the inventory of the British Air Force. The British Air Force wants to retire their tranche 3 fighters but as they are in good condition with lots of life service left, they are opting to sell it to Turkey with the topping being complete transfer of the computer's mission/software codes so that Turkey can integrate whatever they want on it
Therefore, if a deal is signed early next year, Turkey may receive the EF jets by the end of the same year

These are rumors from X sites so do take it with a grwin of salt although such sites are reputable with good level of authenticity

T3 will not be retired especially as they cut back F35 orders.

T3 will be used in the future in the British airforce until Tempest is in proper numbers for the EF to be replaced.

Turkish Airforce no longer wants surplus they want new stuff. That surplus shit is finished. You cant fight your enemies with surplus hardware.

 

[Lool]

You know, even if you are correcting what @Lool wrote it will just add to the confusion.

Just plainly ask for source since retiring Trance 3 has never been mentioned anywhere.

And Trance 1 are crap.

UK to retire Tranche 1 Typhoons with more than half of airframe hours remaining

The UK's recently revealed plan to prematurely retire its Tranche 1 Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft will see the fleet axed with more than half of its airframe...

www.janes.com

Thx I actually rechecked the post and it mentioned Tranche 1 and not 3

My mistake
Thx a lot bro

 

[Strong AI]

[...]

Tolga Özbek with Simon Ward, the President of Airbus Turkey, during the Istanbul AirShow held at Atatürk Airport:

We're currently at a civilian exhibition, but I will also have questions regarding military aviation. One of the agenda items for Turkey is the Eurofighter. What is the situation from Airbus's perspective regarding Turkey?

Airbus plays a key role in the realization of the Eurofighter project. The Eurofighter is also a consortium consisting of the UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain. Besides Airbus, it includes BAE Systems and Leonardo. Each company has different responsibilities. For example, BAE Systems is responsible for finding new customers and securing contracts. Airbus is providing significant support for both the development of the project and Turkey’s role as an important partner in the Eurofighter initiative. There is also the aspect of export licenses. To overcome political issues, Airbus is providing substantial support for these efforts. We may see the Eurofighter in Turkey soon.

[...]

My last question will be about Turkey's tanker aircraft project. Last year, during our interview at IDEF, you mentioned that Airbus had proposed a tanker aircraft developed from A330neo to Turkey.

Turkey has a plan to acquire seven aircraft to renew its existing tanker fleet. The tanker aircraft project is the second most important project for the Turkish Air Force after fighter jets. This is a detailed project. We are discussing many aspects, such as new or second-hand aircraft and engine options.

[...]

Airbus: “Eurofighter’ı kısa sürede Türkiye’de görebiliriz” – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842203585511035172

Have we discussed this in any thread, I looked a bit but I couldn't find it? The reflex of SoloTurk's pilot is almost superhuman. At that angle and proximity, with the flight control computer malfunctioning, it was a great skill to prevent the accident. Aircraft narrowly saved from crashing in the middle of the crowd. Yesterday was a day of strange and disgusting events. Fortunately, there was no more tragedy in this strange day. I really wonder what the investigations will reveal.

 

[Scott Summers]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842203585511035172

Have we discussed this in any thread, I looked a bit but I couldn't find it? The reflex of SoloTurk's pilot is almost superhuman. Aircraft narrowly saved from crashing in the middle of the crowd. Yesterday was a day of strange and disgusting events. Fortunately, there was no more tragedy in this strange day. I really wonder what the investigations will reveal.

I have 0% trust in American aircraft. They have always a backdoor in their products to hack the hardware or software.

If it was not for the superhuman reflexes and control of our pilot, that plane would crash in the crowd and massacre al those people and being worldnews and killing Turkish prestige at Teknofest.

The Israelis would cheer on X about it.

 

[TR_123456]

I have 0% trust in American aircraft. They have always a backdoor in their products to hack the hardware or software.

If it was not for the superhuman reflexes and control of our pilot, that plane would crash in the crowd and massacre al those people and being worldnews and killing Turkish prestige at Teknofest.

The Israelis would cheer on X about it.

And that has been proven many times,right?

 

[boredaf]

I have 0% trust in American aircraft. They have always a backdoor in their products to hack the hardware or software.

If it was not for the superhuman reflexes and control of our pilot, that plane would crash in the crowd and massacre al those people and being worldnews and killing Turkish prestige at Teknofest.

The Israelis would cheer on X about it.

I really wish people actually understood what backdoors are and what they can and cannot do before diving head first into conspiracy theories fuelled by their hatred of the West. Come back down to real world mate.

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1842203585511035172

Have we discussed this in any thread, I looked a bit but I couldn't find it? The reflex of SoloTurk's pilot is almost superhuman. At that angle and proximity, with the flight control computer malfunctioning, it was a great skill to prevent the accident. Aircraft narrowly saved from crashing in the middle of the crowd. Yesterday was a day of strange and disgusting events. Fortunately, there was no more tragedy in this strange day. I really wonder what the investigations will reveal.

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SOLOTÜRK Adana Teknofest'te yürekleri hoplattı.Kanalımıza destek vermek için: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7hyUqIcfDV3kRBFumYUlnA/join

youtube.com

 

[Chocopie]

Could be wrong, but it looks like a reckless and risky pilot maneuver to me 🫣 could have been a catastrophe for the visitors.

 

[Sanchez]

F-16B30 used by Solotürk are old aircraft we've been using for close to 35 years now. And Solotürk is out there, flying for the crowds every day, so I don't really think this would be a case of maintenance gone wrong. Air force needs to look at the squadron, its structure and maybe enact come changes to how the shows are planned and flown.

 

[Yasar_TR]

F-16B30 used by Solotürk are old aircraft we've been using for close to 35 years now. And Solotürk is out there, flying for the crowds every day, so I don't really think this would be a case of maintenance gone wrong. Air force needs to look at the squadron, its structure and maybe enact come changes to how the shows are planned and flown.

In early August, I watched live, Typhoon performing even lower manoeuvres. But it was at least 100m away from the crowd and over the sea. Few years ago a plane in UK crashed in to ground killing people on the ground as it was performing a loop. Since then very strict rules have been placed in air shows.

Turkish Block 30 planes have undergone constructional upgrades to extend their life. They are the most manoeuvrable and agile f16s there are.

It does look like the pilot took few risks during flight. That should not have happened.

 

[Cenkcnk]

do you know the situation with the viper? Order placed? Or are we waiting for some approvals?

 

[Sanchez]

Order placed?

Nope.

Or are we waiting for some approvals?

Contract negotiations.

 

[Zoth]

do you know the situation with the viper? Order placed? Or are we waiting for some approvals?

Nope.


Contract negotiations.

The reason why the contract hasn't been signed yet is kind of complicated, Turkey wants to build the new Vipers domestically and also modernize the current ones domestically, it also wants to build F16 engines domestically too, which is why the deal has not been made.

I doubt that USA will allow anything to be domestically build in Turkey if CAATSA is not lifted, which we go back to our original issue, S400. USA wants those to either be sent to Ukraine or stored in American side of Incirlik Air Base, which Turkey won't allow due to complicated relations with Russia, we need their Gas and we are currently tied to them in Nuclear Energy.

 

[Sanchez]

The reason why the contract hasn't been signed yet is kind of complicated, Turkey wants to build the new Vipers domestically and also modernize the current ones domestically, it also wants to build F16 engines domestically too, which is why the deal has not been made.

This is an unsubstantiated claim from some, while it is possibly true, we can't be certain. In the latest TurDef article there was another claim that US was looking unfavorably to transfer of AIM-120C8 and SABR radars. This is also unsubstantiated for now.