TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

British contemplating using these in place of their over 2 million pound storm shadows is good enough reason to think for us too.

I think one of the lessons they learned (well, along with everyone else) that while expensive and complicated systems most certainly has a place in the battlefield, you need cheaper and reliable systems to compliment them. Even Russia took this lesson to heart and started using FAB extensively on the frontlines instead of more expensive systems.

 

[Dmr]

Food for thought, UKs upcoming / ongoing projects:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1860072834976088507

If I remember correctly,TUBITAK and Excalibur were working on a mobile land platform launcher for Kuzgun missiles,which seemed similar to this UK project.Any info what happened to that?

TÜBİTAK SAGE ve Excalibur Army'den KUZGUN ailesi için işbirliği!

TÜBİTAK SAGE ve Excalibur Army, KUZGUN mühimmat ailesi üzerinden ateş destek platformlarının geliştirilmesi üzerine niyet beyanı imzaladı.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1860728464514375959

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

ALBM's were successfully used in the israeli Attacks on Iran. They are more cheap than Cruise Missiles and they are faster. TurAF need them to strike important strategic Targets and Variants which can engage moving Ships like LHD or Aircraft Carrier.

 

[Sanchez]

I really hope this is not its official name, because there is already "Air LORA". Please not again the same issue like "Steel Dome".

Unlike Steel Dome, I actually like this one

 

[Osman]

I remember two of these scenarios just prior to operation Olive Branch in Syria.

First a moving convoy of Hezbollah was hit and after that very big 30-40 convoy of the YPG carrying ammunition to Afrin was hit on the move. If I remember correctly the second strike was where we used one of these guided rockets (TRG/TRLG), but was it the 122mm or the 230mm one I am also not sure. It was a very good show at the time.

This was a TRG 122 attack

 

[Osman]

I really wonder what we will use to launch a 1.5 - 2 ton ballistic missile (let's say it will be smaller than 2.5 ton bora). I think they are planning to carry it under the fuselage of F-16 planes until Kaan arrives.

 

[chngr]

I really wonder what we will use to launch a 1.5 - 2 ton ballistic missile (let's say it will be smaller than 2.5 ton bora). I think they are planning to carry it under the fuselage of F-16 planes until Kaan arrives.

F-16's under fuselage capacity way way lower than under wings

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

F-16's under fuselage capacity way way lower than under wings

It's also possible to carry them with Akinci XL, which will be powered by two TS-1400 Engines.

China’s CH-9 Combat Drone with Ballistic Missile Capabilities

China’s CH-9 Combat Drone with Ballistic Missile Capabilities, a significant advancement in unmanned aerial systems for precision strikes.

internationaldefenceanalysis.com

 

[I_Love_F16]

Akinci XL

Where does it come from ?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Where does it come from ?

I think he means the proposed twin jet version.

 

[boredaf]

Where does it come from ?

I think he means the proposed twin jet version.

It's from Selçuk Bayraktar's comments

Baykar Works on a Larger Akıncı UCAV with TEI Engines | TURDEF

Baykar CEO Selçuk Bayraktar stated that the firm is working on a larger AKINCI UCAV with engines from TEI.

turdef.com

"We have TEI's helicopter engine (TS1400) when it comes to jet engines. But Turkiye needs multiple types of jet (gas turbine) engines. One of them will be for AKINCI. If we were to put TEI's engine on AKINCI, we'd need a bigger one, and we are working on it. AKINCI's engines have 750 hp while TEI's TS1400 provides more than 1400 hp.".

 

[I_Love_F16]

Nice. Having a UCAV of this envergure will be a great asset for the armed forces.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Roketsan had announced that a new ALBM will be revealed, it's Name is "Demir Pence". This Missile should be faster and will have a greater Range than IHA-230.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869470053353287822

 

[dBSPL]

If I understand correctly, the integration of the 300mm TRG-300 into AKINCI is also being on the way. This could give AKINCI the ability to engage targets +250km away with supersonic missiles and warheads over 100kg. The 300mm guided rockets have a warhead that is 2.5 times larger than the 230mm ones, and probably have a higher flight speed.

(2:50)

Demir Pençe'yi ilk kez açıkladı: ROKETSAN füzeleri, Demir Kubbe gibi hava savunma sistemlerinin kâbusu olacak! (Demir Pençe nedir?)

ROKETSAN Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, 'Demir Pençe' kavramını ilk kez açıkladı. SİHA'ların düşman hava savunma sistemlerine yönelik önlenemez saldırılarını ifade eden Demir Pençe, aerobalistik füze menzilinin artmasıyla birlikte daha da ölümcül olacak. Murat İkinci, İHA-122 ve İHA-230'a yeni...

www.trhaber.com

edit: The total weight of the Block-III TRG-300s stated in the official specs is 585 kg, including the warhead. This means that with the current engine configurations, AKINCI B/C can operate with two IHA-300 supersonic rockets on the inner wing pylons.

 

[dBSPL]

IMO he uses "Demir Pence" as a nickname for our UCAVs.

Yes, Murat İkinci uses the term “iron claw” to describe the entire range of solutions comprised of weapon systems developed specifically for UCAVs. However, what I underlined is what Murat İkinci said about the process of system integration activities. This part:

"One of our most important goals is to integrate our longer range, larger caliber weapon systems into UCAVs. One of our most important goals is to integrate different versions of our faster-flying, like ballistic missiles and to increase Turkiye's strike power in this area, that is, to increase the distance and power that the iron claw of our UCAVs can reach."

 

[YeşilVatan]

Maybe I'm missing something, but can't we just create a very simple drone that only carries UAV version of TRG-300? I'm thinking about something like the FAB thing. The drones in question wouldn't even need to be that different than the current ones. Just a modified fuselage to carry one missile, and an engine good enough to climb up and loiter at relatively high altitude. No gimbals, no fancy sensors. Built to operate in non-contested airspace from way behind the lines. Data transfer and network capabillity would be the only hurdle we have to overcome before building this in my estimation.

I think that's a good concept for massed stand-off strike. 30-40 of those working round the clock and you can get an insane level of tempo for the strikes. And for the record I also think that kind of aircraft should be used to carry smaller, more numerous missiles or loitering munitions.

 

[dBSPL]

Maybe I'm missing something, but can't we just create a very simple drone that only carries UAV version of TRG-300? I'm thinking about something like the FAB thing. The drones in question wouldn't even need to be that different than the current ones. Just a modified fuselage to carry one missile, and an engine good enough to climb up and loiter at relatively high altitude. No gimbals, no fancy sensors. Built to operate in non-contested airspace from way behind the lines. Data transfer and network capabillity would be the only hurdle we have to overcome before building this in my estimation.

I think that's a good concept for massed stand-off strike. 30-40 of those working round the clock and you can get an insane level of tempo for the strikes. And for the record I also think that kind of aircraft should be used to carry smaller, more numerous missiles or loitering munitions.

AKINCI is truly becoming a unique system in the UCAV market, with no foreign counterpart at present. The Iron Claw approach encompasses a very large inventory of munitions covering a wide range of missions with many different ranges and flight envelopes. And the engagement of these weapon systems also involves a complex network of layers. In addition to its onboard sensors and decision support systems, the aircraft will be able to share the management of the systems it carries with an air control aircraft in the joint combat network, and even with different moving surface land or aircrafts. Perhaps this is too simplistic, but in some scenarios, it means keeping longe range strike systems in the air ready to fire for 7/24. And even long range A-A missiles will be added to this set.

If we are successful in the Aesa radar integration phase too, it will probably be described as an important milestone in the documentation of the history of future UCAVs. It should be underlined here again that the addition of first 100/150km engagement and now 250km engagement radius to AKINCI's target set is very important. In sea-skimming needed; with Çakır at medium range and maybe Som-J at medium-to-long range in the near future; and IHA-230 at medium range (and perhaps IHA-300 at longer range) when supersonic engagement needed , we have actually started to sail into undiscovered waters in this class yet.

 

[boredaf]

I'm thinking about something like the FAB thing.

FAB is not a drone, it's the Russian equivalent of MK bombs, with guidance kits.

 

[YeşilVatan]

FAB is not a drone, it's the Russian equivalent of MK bombs, with guidance kits.

No I meant like massed FAB strike concept Russians use, just with very cheap turboprop drones.