TR Industry, Science and Technology

[Saithan]

It is a very late move. I have never understood why we did not make such moves before. It is pretty sad to hear such stories from east. Türkiye must invest a few billion dollars for energy and semiconductor industry every year. In military we will be not a US or China in near future but we can be definitely a France sized power. I hope that everything is connected each other and military will trigger semiconductor too.

Why Vietnam is a hotspot for semiconductor industry investments?

Semiconductor industry in Vietnam is expected to reach $7.01 billion, CAGR of 6.69% 2023 - 2028. Explore more info in Doing Business in ASEAN

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You need to find countries willing to invest, and considering how our government has been behaving, our country is not a reliable or good place to make those investments.

For instance where are these exported to, answer is, usually developed countries, and how are our relations with developed countries, mostly bad, with the exception of South Korea and Japan, and that is only because they are so far away that our government hasn't pissed on them.

So who is going to invest ? Qatar is investing because we stood by them when the arabs put embargo on them. who else is going to invest ?

Other muslim countries like Malaysia ? Indonesia ? they need the investment themselves and also the export from it, so they're not interested in competition. Who is going to invest ?????

 

[Shtr]

You need to find countries willing to invest, and considering how our government has been behaving, our country is not a reliable or good place to make those investments.

For instance where are these exported to, answer is, usually developed countries, and how are our relations with developed countries, mostly bad, with the exception of South Korea and Japan, and that is only because they are so far away that our government hasn't pissed on them.

So who is going to invest ? Qatar is investing because we stood by them when the arabs put embargo on them. who else is going to invest ?

Other muslim countries like Malaysia ? Indonesia ? they need the investment themselves and also the export from it, so they're not interested in competition. Who is going to invest ?????

Türkiye is enough to invest itself. Who invested Türkiye's military industry? These things require a great amount of dedication and planning like military industry planned at early 2000's. Some projects are projected and started in 2005. Semiconductor industry is much more bigger than military one since it touches people's daily life. Every year billion dollars must be invested in this land. Some times subsidies will be crazy but eventually it will come to a point where Türkiye's potential will make turn the wheels. Nobody helped China, nobody helped Vietnam. They did themselves.

Military industry is very important to get easy money but if you want sustainability in incomes, you have to create hi-tech and in order to do this semiconductor industry is a must. Rising fields at China are related to semiconductor greatly. I hope we will start to invest more and more this.

 

[Saithan]

Türkiye is enough to invest itself. Who invested Türkiye's military industry? These things require a great amount of dedication and planning like military industry planned at early 2000's. Some projects are projected and started in 2005. Semiconductor industry is much more bigger than military one since it touches people's daily life. Every year billion dollars must be invested in this land. Some times subsidies will be crazy but eventually it will come to a point where Türkiye's potential will make turn the wheels. Nobody helped China, nobody helped Vietnam. They did themselves.

Military industry is very important to get easy money but if you want sustainability in incomes, you have to create hi-tech and in order to do this semiconductor industry is a must. Rising fields at China are related to semiconductor greatly. I hope we will start to invest more and more this.

But we are investing, and you need to reach a technological level before you can benefit from making these investments, just as you need a competent and literate population to be able to deliver workforce to these investments. You can't have people from agriculture work in these fields without proper education.

As you pointed out yourself with reference to defence industry.

But producing for civilian usage is very important because that means your population can be educated and competent enough to keep this tech level going even with external embargo

 

[neosinan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1877238131688358018

Guys anyone else got info on this cooperation with Taiwan, says we're going to be producing some 5nm chip with Taiwans help.

What he is claiming, is impossible. There is only one EUV machine that is capable of printing 5 nm chip. And Its sales are highly regulated and followed. And One of these Machines cost like 100m$. Even for Lab production you need these machines. That is BS.

 

[fushkee]

5nm?? Should be 50nm

 

[Turkic]

What he is claiming, is impossible. There is only one EUV machine that is capable of printing 5 nm chip. And Its sales are highly regulated and followed. And One of these Machines cost like 100m$. Even for Lab production you need these machines. That is BS.

TSMC is getting ready for it's 2nm process and they'll be producting 2nm chips by this year. 5nm is not as important as before for them. They already succeeded 4 and 3 and they know that we'll not even be able to produce 4nm chips while they're producing under nm chips. It depends on what we offered in exchange.

Not saying the news is true or not tho.

 

[Sanchez]

What he is claiming, is impossible. There is only one EUV machine that is capable of printing 5 nm chip. And Its sales are highly regulated and followed. And One of these Machines cost like 100m$. Even for Lab production you need these machines. That is BS.

More than likely they originally wanted to mean a new card that uses 5nm chips. Why would FLYBVLOS, a small drone company would enter the chip business like this otherwise. Let's wait for better sources to have an opinion.

 

[No Name]

Here is an article published by DefenceHere.com about the semiconductor Partnership between Turkey and Taiwan.

I cann't find any more articals talking about the topic.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1880164483265622047

US restricting Türkiyes access to AI tech

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1880164483265622047

US restricting Türkiyes access to AI tech

This was expected for some time. We are definitely not part of US' future best buddies club, with most of the world, including most of NATO. Two goals exists for the new group. Curb Chinese tech and curb Chinese trade. We haven't shown either to be the case, so it was expected for me. Good luck to all the Turkish companies working on AI and ML stuff.

There will possibly be more tiers in the future for this, and I think we will need to try and enter those tiers by cutting our Chinese dependency to keep toeing the line.

 

[Saithan]

This was expected for some time. We are definitely not part of US' future best buddies club, with most of the world, including most of NATO. Two goals exists for the new group. Curb Chinese tech and curb Chinese trade. We haven't shown either to be the case, so it was expected for me. Good luck to all the Turkish companies working on AI and ML stuff.

There will possibly be more tiers in the future for this, and I think we will need to try and enter those tiers by cutting our Chinese dependency to keep toeing the line.

Do you think we have allowed the chinese to have too much say in our infrastructure ?

Would it be better to curb US AI inside our borders if possible ?

 

[Mustafa27]

He is just click baiting, Even Israel is Tier 2 and will face restrictions. We should be thankful that we weren't put on Tier 3.
This article is a good read if you want to understand what they want to do with these restrictions: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-further-limit-nvidia-ai-214945108.html?guccounter=1

 

[uçuyorum]

He is just click baiting, Even Israel is Tier 2 and will face restrictions. We should be thankful that we weren't put on Tier 3.
This article is a good read if you want to understand what they want to do with these restrictions: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-further-limit-nvidia-ai-214945108.html?guccounter=1

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China will gobble that market soon then

 

[Sanchez]

Do you think we have allowed the chinese to have too much say in our infrastructure ?

Most definitely.

Would it be better to curb US AI inside our borders if possible ?

If it stays like this, it will be US eventually cutting us off, not the other way around. Most of our non defence high tech exports are also to EU and US.

Even Israel is Tier 2 and will face restrictions

Which was also expected, as Israeli Chinese trade relations are soaring.

This is the new Pan Pacific economic play of US. It won't effect us directly, but everyone will be affected in this trade war.

 

[Saithan]

Sorry but I do not think Israel is included in that. At the end of the day Israel is very much US strategic ally. And even Israel will not and cannot sacrifice it's ties with US for some profit.

We definitely need our own chip, semiconductor industry and prioritize domestic usage on civilian goods to properly grow.

 

[Huelague]

We are leading in internet Speed. WORLWIDE

List of countries by Internet connection speeds - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Scott Summers]

We are leading in internet Speed. WORLWIDE

List of countries by Internet connection speeds - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

How? We are 143th at the list, even after Palestine.

 

[Huelague]

How? We are 143th at the list, even after Palestine.

You know what irony is? We are embarrassing at that point. Baykar should start some civil projects like internet.

 

[Scott Summers]

You know what irony is? We are embarrassing at that point. Baykar should start some civil projects like internet.

Those idiots from Turk Telekom just talked me to a 100 mb fiber internetspeed for my home, but when i do a speedtest i only get 16 mb upload and some 9 mb download or something.

 

[Huelague]

Those idiots from Turk Telekom just talked me to a 100 mb fiber internetspeed for my home, but when i do a speedtest i only get 16 mb upload and some 9 mb download or something.

One of the most expensive in the world and worst in the same time. The politics has to do something.