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How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?
Yes, the HÜRKUŞ platform can be used with both the FULMAR (SAR) radar and UMTAS-GM Block 2 missiles.
UMTAS-GM Block 2 has an internal CCD/IIR hybrid seeker, so it does not require a SAR radar for target acquisition.

The CİRİT missile requires a laser-designated target. Even if HÜRKUŞ does not have ASELPOD or FULMAR, it can use the CİRİT missile with laser designation provided by TB2.
 

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How about:

1. Hürkus with FULMAR (SAR) and UMTAS-GM Block 2?
2. Since USAF uses APKWS against Drones (as C-UAS), Hürkus with Aselpod (afaik ASELFLIR-300T doesn't have A/A mode) and FULMAR 500-A (according to Aselsan it can detect Air targets) and CIRIT missile?
As a very low cost MPA, could work I guess. Very low endurance though. Drone better, no?

Russians and Ukrainians use turboprops and even some piston aircraft in such a role, with guns. For such a total war scenario, sure it could work. But, we haven’t heard of further development of Cirit for years. I think it’s an evolutionary deadend at this point, probably too expensive. Wish they also studied a AKPWS like kit solution to lower the costs. But what role does it serve. It could only be used as a low endurance aircraft for base protection duties. Americans have success with it because they use F-15s as a quasi CAP aircraft, refueling them midair and at greater ranges, and it’s still a high performance aircraft that can protect itself with AIM-9s and can run away to safety if needed, Hürkuş doesn’t have that.
 

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Per official TAI gazzette, TAI will deliver 15 Hürkuş IIs to HvKK this year, with remaining 40 to be delivered by 2027.


Pretty tight schedule of about 15-20 aircraft per year, hope they also get some export contracts, would be a loss to lose that production pipeline.
Özbek claims first 2 Hürkuş were delivered to Çiğli AFB, adding that because of the runway maintenance in Mürted, further tests(acceptance tests?) will be done in Çiğli.

 

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Per official TAI gazzette, TAI will deliver 15 Hürkuş IIs to HvKK this year, with remaining 40 to be delivered by 2027.


Pretty tight schedule of about 15-20 aircraft per year, hope they also get some export contracts, would be a loss to lose that production pipeline.
Well that didn't take long.

"Demiroğlu stated that the production of 15 aircraft is currently in full swing at TUSAŞ, adding, "The goal is to continue delivering 10 aircraft by the end of the year. We will deliver 15 in 2026, 15 in 2027, and the rest in 2028."


TAI will deliver 10 Hürkuş this year, deliver 30 by 2027 and 15 more by 2028.
 

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Well that didn't take long.

"Demiroğlu stated that the production of 15 aircraft is currently in full swing at TUSAŞ, adding, "The goal is to continue delivering 10 aircraft by the end of the year. We will deliver 15 in 2026, 15 in 2027, and the rest in 2028."


TAI will deliver 10 Hürkuş this year, deliver 30 by 2027 and 15 more by 2028.
Come December, they'll deliver 3 and have fanfare for that and pat themselves on the back. Shite like this is why I can't take their words seriously anymore, I hoped it would end when Temel Kotil left but nothing changed.
 

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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).

 

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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).

Özgür 2 is not just Murad. It's one big part of it. But the road ahead ahead is much complicated. There was nothing to suggest that it was stalled, it's a very comprehensive upgrade package.
 

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It seems that Ozgür 2 is indeed not stalled and even ahead of expectations. According to Ahmet Akyol's statement Murad AESA radar has succesfully conducted air to air test fire on F-16(no date given).

Sünnetçi on the event:

"I had the opportunity to learn about this firing, which took place in the second half of October, during the last week of October. This successful firing, in which a domestically developed air-to-air missile was guided by a domestic AESA radar and accurately directed to its target from an aircraft equipped with a national mission system and software, is of great importance both in terms of demonstrating the level reached by the Turkish Defense Industry and as a significant milestone in terms of the tremendous capability that will be added to the Turkish Air Force's F-16 aircraft in the near future.

The medium-range GÖKDOĞAN air-to-air missile, developed under the leadership of TÜBİTAK SAGE, was used in the firing. According to the information I have obtained, although the missile did not reach its maximum range, the target (high-speed target aircraft) detected and tracked by the MURAD-100A AESA radar was successfully hit from a considerable distance. The GÖKDOĞAN missile was successfully guided to the target detected by the MURAD-100A AESA radar and scored a direct hit on the target. For the GÖKDOĞAN BVRAAM missile to be used effectively at beyond-visual-range distances, full integration with the aircraft's Fire Control Radar and mid-course guidance support are required.

As part of the ÖZGÜR Avionics Modernization Project, the final phase, Phase IV, includes the integration of the Moving Map, Data Link, and Air-to-Air/Air-to-Ground Weapon Integration systems. This ensures the full integration of GÖKDOĞAN into the aircraft, enabling the missile to be used at maximum range and maximum effectiveness. Turkish Air Force sources were very satisfied with the performance demonstrated in tests by the X-Band MURAD-100 AESA Fire Control Radar, which has GaN-based Receiver/Transmitter Modules, despite not being used at full performance level in live-fire tests. For the MURAD-100 AESA Radar to be used at full performance, the aircraft's electrical and cooling power, as well as the mission computer (in terms of processing capacity), must have sufficient capacity.

On behalf of the Defense Industries Presidency, TÜBİTAK SAGE developed Turkey's first active radar-guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile, GÖKDOĞAN, under the GÖKTUĞ Project in line with the needs of the Turkish Air Force. (RF) guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile, GÖKDOĞAN, was successfully conducted in late October 2021 from an F-16C aircraft belonging to the 401st Test Squadron Command. As part of the test campaign, live-fire tests are expected to be conducted on the AKINCI UAV in the coming days using the MURAD-100A AESA Radar. The MURAD-100A AESA Radar was integrated into the AKINCI UAV with tail number PT-3, and its first flight was announced on March 1, 2025, following ground tests. On March 13, 2025, it was announced that during the second flight conducted with the AKINCI UAV, the MURAD Radar had achieved its first air-to-air radar lock."

 

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Come December, they'll deliver 3 and have fanfare for that and pat themselves on the back. Shite like this is why I can't take their words seriously anymore, I hoped it would end when Temel Kotil left but nothing changed.
Per what's available, they didn't deliver any so far.
 

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Turkiye needs to start placing certain restrictions on equipment on these useless countries that cant even get security right.

Isis terrorists destroy a Hurkus plane. For isis pricks to even get inside the airport is more than embarassing. Where the hell is the security man
 

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Turkiye needs to start placing certain restrictions on equipment on these useless countries that cant even get security right.

Isis terrorists destroy a Hurkus plane. For isis pricks to even get inside the airport is more than embarassing. Where the hell is the security man


thats not hurkus, hurkus have single engine and that thing have left and right engine.
 
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