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Türkiye‘s bad economic situation is not a secret, over taxation, law and justice doesn‘t exist, criminiality record high etc. but this useless stupid opposition can‘t get their shit together and win a f****** election where AKP starts 0:2 behind.
I don't feel even an inch bad for CHP and its ilk. They deserve everything Erdogan is doing to them. They have been warned for years about what KK and his goons are.

Never forget the shit they did to Ince, who called KK out a decade ago already. KK who sabotaged the 2018 elections just to get rid of Ince who was the favorite to become the next chairman for the party.

What was their response for years when you mentioned these things? Akplisin yaniiiiiiiii. F them. CHP going down will benefit actual opposition parties like ZP IYIP and so on in the long run.

Özel himself is a KK student now he is mad KK is trying everything to get his seat back. Other than kicking out those in KK's inner circle he let all the rest of the dersimci lobby stay in the party instead of purging the party of them. Because he himself is one.

Last year he betrayed thousands of young Turks who went out to protest, while they were being sprayed with pepper spray and getting beat up he was on top of a fucking bus partying around.

And now he cries that the people aren't there for him and his goons.

Let's be honest he was even preparing his own candidancy for the next election slowly just like KK.

Powerhungry dersimci all of them who love to talk about everything in this country other than what is happening to those who are the actual owners - Turks. Komisyon, talking about presently non existant problems for kurds but when shit gets how they love talking about Turks suddenly nonstop.
 

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Of course they can, they started slowly during Baykals reign, everything with FETÖ tactics (kaset...) and when Kilicdaroglu was elected it happened at a faster pace, "Yeni CHP" was officially initiated, hundreds of Kemalists (Ulusalci) were pushed out and replaced by maggots like Sezgin Tanrikulu, sectarian bastards from Tunceli and other filth. Erdogans parasite in CHP turned the Party into a shit show, only a reset to factory settings can save it.
CHP is infected to the core and needs to be burned down, funnily what Erdogan is doing right now might net him a bigger blow then just letting Özel play his sectarian bs. Ekrem has already been eliminated he isn't getting out until the next elections are over at least, Mansur is passive and has no interest in painting a target on himself and Özel was already preparing his own candidancy for the next elections under the table.

If any of those who are inside right now have any interest in anything else than their own pockets and sectarian idealogues would leave the party tomorrow and joing ZP or IYIP. But they won't, KK will come back and they will give him a standing ovation.-
 

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Who made ZP and IYIP the only choices?They are right wing mate. I accept CHP is not left but come on. Even they start a new party they can get more votes then both parties combined.
 

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Who made ZP and IYIP the only choices?They are right wing mate. I accept CHP is not left but come on. Even they start a new party they can get more votes then both parties combined.
CHP survives on the name alone, change the name and the politics of the majority of its members would disgust 90% of those who vote red every election without evem having a idea who the people are they are voting for. For them CHP=Atatürk. Change the name and they wouldn't even break 5%.

A party that lives on Atatürks' legacy but at the same time dirties it in every disgusting way imaginable deserves no other fate than the one it is getting now.

Also majority of Turks are center to center-right politically. So yes ZP and IYIP are the only real and viable parties majority of voters would move towards with a small minority going to TIP.
 

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That is not even true. I have seen shp,dsp and chp era. Every period is different by its nature. They had changed the name to dsp and shp. And they got more than %5 . So you need to check. And can you remind me what is the taxation policy of ZP and IYIP. They dont give a shit about middle class. So why a leftist vote for nationalist parties. By the way all nationalist parties talk about how much they love this country. But they are never on the street while akp selling everywhere to foreign mining companies. They werent with Akbelen farmers, they werent on the street with Doruk Madencilik workers. So if those parties want support they need to show up while police spreying people.
 

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As many here in the forum know, I generally sympathize with Erdoğan, without being a blind supporter. While undeniable and serious mistakes have been made in domestic policy, I view these as the price the country must pay for its foreign policy and strategic independence. Turkey's path toward an autonomous policy is inherently accompanied by significant economic pressure from abroad. This manifests itself, among other things, in targeted downgrades by US and European rating agencies, a persistent negative framing in Western media, as well as blockades and sanctions that have direct impacts on the national currency, international investor confidence, and global supply chains.

Therefore, it falls short to portray the economic turbulence as a purely homegrown problem. If politicians like İmamoğlu or Özel were in power today and pursued the same legitimate claim to independence—whether in the defense industry, trade, or the Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland) doctrine—the external pressure would be exactly the same. This is not an exclusive "Erdoğan problem," but rather the West's lack of willingness to accept Turkey as a partner on equal terms, given its geographical and strategic key role. The government's much-debated interest rate policy merely acted as a catalyst within this framework, the harsh consequences of which the population must now bear, but it was not the actual root cause.

I also consider the thesis that Kılıçdaroğlu was Erdoğan's puppet to be completely false. In the last presidential election, he was almost neck and neck and was backed by an unprecedented, cross-party alliance. Rather, his failure was the result of fundamental strategic mistakes during the election campaign. Instead of building bridges, he positioned himself aggressively against Erdoğan in almost every interview, completely failing to connect emotionally with the traditionally conservative, religious center-right electorate. By not only criticizing the policies but often launching sweeping attacks on Erdoğan and his voter base, he ultimately drove the conservative center back into the government's camp. Instead of prioritizing the real economic concerns of these people and proving economic competence, the campaign often devolved into a moral mudslinging match. When conservative voters feel belittled by the opposition leader, they will, when in doubt, choose the familiar—namely Erdoğan—even if they are suffering from inflation.

The second crucial mistake of the opposition was disparaging national prestige projects in the defense industry, simply because their initial spark originated from the AKP or was heavily supported by it. Strategically speaking, a party must not attack projects that benefit the entire country while simultaneously strengthening the collective self-confidence of the population. Success breeds success—a phenomenon that can also be seen historically in Germany, where achievements in sports, technology, and the economy have shaped the nation's self-image for over half a century. By discrediting these successes instead of embracing them as a source of non-partisan national pride, the opposition cost itself the election victory.

That is just my opinion on the matter...
 
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Erdogan’s legacy is defined by the hollowed-out remains of Turkey’s agriculture, education, and health systems. These were not casualties of foreign interference, but sacrifices made to build a network of cronyism designed to ensure absolute loyalty. His unorthodox approach to interest rates, justified by religious rhetoric rather than economic reality, has plunged the country into turmoil. Under his rule, dissent is met with imprisonment, silencing journalists and students alike. He has consolidated all power, yet refuses to accept responsibility for any of the consequences
 

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Erdogan’s legacy is defined by the hollowed-out remains of Turkey’s agriculture, education, and health systems. These were not casualties of foreign interference, but sacrifices made to build a network of cronyism designed to ensure absolute loyalty. His unorthodox approach to interest rates, justified by religious rhetoric rather than economic reality, has plunged the country into turmoil. Under his rule, dissent is met with imprisonment, silencing journalists and students alike. He has consolidated all power, yet refuses to accept responsibility for any of the consequences
That may be partly true, but it’s not unique to the AKP; nepotism will always exist—it has always been there and will continue to be there in the future, no matter who comes to power; nobody does anything for free, and inflation isn’t a phenomenon that affects only the AKP either. I don’t need to remind you what Turkey was like in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when there were 1,000,000-lira bills that were worth about as much as toilet paper.

If the parties that preceded the AKP were so good and competent—and I include the CHP in that—then why did Turkey stagnate for nearly half a century in areas such as dual-use technology, infrastructure, water and electricity grids, road networks, healthcare, and so on—that is, in areas that should be a given nationwide? Instead, during my childhood vacations in Turkey, I constantly suffered from diarrhea caused by a gastrointestinal virus in the middle of summer because something as basic as clean tap water wasn’t available. Public restrooms stuffed with feces, expired food in supermarkets that was sold anyway. There was absolutely no regulation in healthcare, the food industry, or marketing, nor was there a proper cold chain—as if we were a Third World country in Africa.
 

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CHP has been to turned to a sh1t circus, riddled with theft, employment of terrorists, nepotism, favouritism, embezzlement, corruption, insider trading, sexual scandals, neglect, blatant lies, empty promises, ridiculing their own constituents, opportunism, money laundering to say the least!
All this after Deniz Baykal was ousted, KK is a clown, ÖÖ is a fvcking scumbag!
I can't believe any supporters if either one of these cvnts! Worse than that, Eko's supporters!
How about some men to lead Atatürk's party?
CHP can't survive with this type of opposition. Some yigit should take the reigns, not these clowns!
It's like watching chimps in a circus, throwing faeces at each other! What an embarrassment!
 

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That may be partly true, but it’s not unique to the AKP; nepotism will always exist—it has always been there and will continue to be there in the future, no matter who comes to power; nobody does anything for free, and inflation isn’t a phenomenon that affects only the AKP either. I don’t need to remind you what Turkey was like in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when there were 1,000,000-lira bills that were worth about as much as toilet paper.

If the parties that preceded the AKP were so good and competent—and I include the CHP in that—then why did Turkey stagnate for nearly half a century in areas such as dual-use technology, infrastructure, water and electricity grids, road networks, healthcare, and so on—that is, in areas that should be a given nationwide? Instead, during my childhood vacations in Turkey, I constantly suffered from diarrhea caused by a gastrointestinal virus in the middle of summer because something as basic as clean tap water wasn’t available. Public restrooms stuffed with feces, expired food in supermarkets that was sold anyway. There was absolutely no regulation in healthcare, the food industry, or marketing, nor was there a proper cold chain—as if we were a Third World country in Africa.
Healthcare and education used to be accessible. Before the 1990s, even a child from a remote Anatolian village could realistically dream of getting a degree. That was possible once. It isn’t anymore.
Today, this country is deeply divided. Around 15% live like they’re in Europe, while the majority struggles at a level far closer to poverty. This didn’t just happen—it was created.
Look at homeownership. It used to be around 67%. Now it’s closer to 47%. That’s not progress—that’s decline. Every time this government “gives” something, it quietly takes far more back.
They constantly promote build-operate-transfer (YİD) projects—roads, bridges, hospitals—as if they’re miracles. Fine, investment is necessary. But where is the transparency? Who calculated the real cost? Why are we, as citizens, paying several times over for these projects? Who benefits from that difference?
We’re told to be proud of international deals, yet we pay significantly more for natural gas than neighboring countries. When journalists ask why, the answer is always the same: “state secret.” Convenient.
For over 20 years, the same leadership has held power—longer than most in our history. And what do we get? The same recycled promises. Remember when we were told the dollar would drop from 5 lira to 2? Now look where it is. And still, no accountability.
Instead, people prefer to attack the opposition while ignoring what’s happening right in front of them. Corruption is overlooked, excuses are made, and loyalty replaces reason.
This isn’t a success story. It’s a system that survives on repetition, distraction, and blind support—and it continues because too many people choose not to question it.
 
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Healthcare and education used to be accessible. Before the 1990s, even a child from a remote Anatolian village could realistically dream of getting a degree. That was possible once. It isn’t anymore.
Today, this country is deeply divided. Around 15% live like they’re in Europe, while the majority struggles at a level far closer to poverty. This didn’t just happen—it was created.
Look at homeownership. It used to be around 67%. Now it’s closer to 47%. That’s not progress—that’s decline. Every time this government “gives” something, it quietly takes far more back.
They constantly promote build-operate-transfer (YİD) projects—roads, bridges, hospitals—as if they’re miracles. Fine, investment is necessary. But where is the transparency? Who calculated the real cost? Why are we, as citizens, paying several times over for these projects? Who benefits from that difference?
We’re told to be proud of international deals, yet we pay significantly more for natural gas than neighboring countries. When journalists ask why, the answer is always the same: “state secret.” Convenient.

For over 20 years, the same leadership has held power—longer than most in our history. And what do we get? The same recycled promises. Remember when we were told the dollar would drop from 5 lira to 2? Now look where it is. And still, no accountability.
Instead, people prefer to attack the opposition while ignoring what’s happening right in front of them. Corruption is overlooked, excuses are made, and loyalty replaces reason.
This isn’t a success story. It’s a system that survives on repetition, distraction, and blind support—and it continues because too many people choose not to question it.
And you think this will change with a new government?
Can you also tell us how?
I heard in Izmir and Istanbul the CHP fucked up,is this true?
Which parties might be going to work together to change everything for the better?
I ask this information for our foreign members to understand the Turkish political climate so they can have a better picture.
 

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Healthcare and education used to be accessible. Before the 1990s, even a child from a remote Anatolian village could realistically dream of getting a degree. That was possible once. It isn’t anymore.
Today, this country is deeply divided. Around 15% live like they’re in Europe, while the majority struggles at a level far closer to poverty. This didn’t just happen—it was created.
Look at homeownership. It used to be around 67%. Now it’s closer to 47%. That’s not progress—that’s decline. Every time this government “gives” something, it quietly takes far more back.
They constantly promote build-operate-transfer (YİD) projects—roads, bridges, hospitals—as if they’re miracles. Fine, investment is necessary. But where is the transparency? Who calculated the real cost? Why are we, as citizens, paying several times over for these projects? Who benefits from that difference?
We’re told to be proud of international deals, yet we pay significantly more for natural gas than neighboring countries. When journalists ask why, the answer is always the same: “state secret.” Convenient.
For over 20 years, the same leadership has held power—longer than most in our history. And what do we get? The same recycled promises. Remember when we were told the dollar would drop from 5 lira to 2? Now look where it is. And still, no accountability.
Instead, people prefer to attack the opposition while ignoring what’s happening right in front of them. Corruption is overlooked, excuses are made, and loyalty replaces reason.
This isn’t a success story. It’s a system that survives on repetition, distraction, and blind support—and it continues because too many people choose not to question it.
My approach is critical, and by no means blind: a philosophy has taken root in the current political landscape that leaves me deeply doubtful. It is not enough to simply express a desire to replace the incumbent government; I am missing a concrete, substantial election platform. There are no well-developed milestones, no KPIs, and no tangible strategies to effectively combat rampant inflation and the price spiral. Instead of genuine economic expertise that is explained to the population step by step, I see a frightening deficit in this very economic and industrial competence within the opposition, especially the CHP.

When they fail even at the fundamental reform of urban infrastructure—such as sewage systems, waste management, or stable power supply—which is in the news daily and which I experience firsthand at my summer house in Antalya that I visit every year, how can they succeed in leading an entire country that is far more complex? I am by no means saying that the current government is flawless; they make also mistakes but also success too. Yet, for me, the opposition simply represents an absolute downgrade under these circumstances. It does not help when politicians spout empty rhetoric in front of the cameras and appeal to their devotion to Atatürk, as that is completely and 100% meaningless to me.

What counts for me is measurable performance: Can infrastructure and industrial development, especially in the industrial and defense sectors, be consistently continued? Can Turkey’s defense capability be proactively guaranteed? And are there realistic plans to attract foreign investors for fresh capital and new jobs? These are the answers they fail to provide; instead, I hear only vague promises, with no one really knowing how to execute them. Furthermore, anyone who believes that a change of government will end cronyism or the arbitrary awarding of contracts is being naive. In the end, only the group of beneficiaries would be exchanged, without solving the underlying structural problem. In short, without a clear project plan and demonstrated competence, merely voting out the current government is not a solution, but a massive risk that I, as a voter, am not willing to take.
 
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And you think this will change with a new government?
Can you also tell us how?
I heard in Izmir and Istanbul the CHP fucked up,is this true?
Which parties might be going to work together to change everything for the better?
I ask this information for our foreign members to understand the Turkish political climate so they can have a better picture.
Discussing which party a citizen votes for, without first understanding the reasons behind their political behavior, will not lead to a productive debate.
Let me state my conclusion upfront: in the most recent election, I voted for TIP. In my youth, I also voted for ÖDP and TKP. However, in the latest elections, I chose to support whichever candidate stood the strongest chance against the AKP. This was entirely my personal choice. I acknowledge that I voted despite certain aspects I did not agree with. Still, I have no doubt that it was the most appropriate move against the current government.
If we start from the beginning, we must first answer the question: why do we vote? As a society, in order to implement organized efforts that ensure fundamental rights, we need a unified system as a country. If medical education took 3 years in Erzincan but 7 years in Istanbul, the system would fall into chaos. That is why, as citizens, we pay taxes, and in return, the people we elect invest in areas such as security, education, healthcare, nutrition, transportation, and communication.
Political parties, in turn, claim that they are best equipped to determine the priorities for these investments in fundamental rights. Some adopt a security-focused approach (such as nationalist parties like ZP and IYIP), while others focus on inequalities in the distribution of wealth along labor-capital lines (such as TIP). Voting behavior, at its core, is this simple.
The AKP, however, disregards fundamental rights and evaluates everything through a religious lens. Are you hungry? Be grateful. Are you unemployed? At least the call to prayer continues and the flag still flies. By shifting attention away from real issues, they occupy themselves with serving their own interests and enriching themselves.
Because, whether one accepts it or not, this is still the secular and democratic Republic of Turkey founded by Atatürk. Yes—secular.
For that reason, I cannot tell you who you should vote for, but I can say with certainty that you should not vote for the AKP.
 
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Discussing which party a citizen votes for, without first understanding the reasons behind their political behavior, will not lead to a productive debate.
Let me state my conclusion upfront: in the most recent election, I voted for TIP. In my youth, I also voted for ÖDP and TKP. However, in the latest elections, I chose to support whichever candidate stood the strongest chance against the AKP. This was entirely my personal choice. I acknowledge that I voted despite certain aspects I did not agree with. Still, I have no doubt that it was the most appropriate move against the current government.
If we start from the beginning, we must first answer the question: why do we vote? As a society, in order to implement organized efforts that ensure fundamental rights, we need a unified system as a country. If medical education took 3 years in Erzincan but 7 years in Istanbul, the system would fall into chaos. That is why, as citizens, we pay taxes, and in return, the people we elect invest in areas such as security, education, healthcare, nutrition, transportation, and communication.
Political parties, in turn, claim that they are best equipped to determine the priorities for these investments in fundamental rights. Some adopt a security-focused approach (such as nationalist parties like ZP and IYIP), while others focus on inequalities in the distribution of wealth along labor-capital lines (such as TIP). Voting behavior, at its core, is this simple.
The AKP, however, disregards fundamental rights and evaluates everything through a religious lens. Are you hungry? Be grateful. Are you unemployed? At least the call to prayer continues and the flag still flies. By shifting attention away from real issues, they occupy themselves with serving their own interests and enriching themselves.
Because, whether one accepts it or not, this is still the secular and democratic Republic of Turkey founded by Atatürk. Yes—secular.
For that reason, I cannot tell you who you should vote for, but I can say with certainty that you should not vote for the AKP.
This doesnt answer all my questions.
Just answer this one.
Who(alone or in combination with others) stands a chance against the AKP?
 

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This doesnt answer all my questions.
Just answer this one.
Who(alone or in combination with others) stands a chance against the AKP?

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Of course, Mr. Özel
 
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