TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[TurkWolf]

They want to give them a feeling of protection that they have the support/protection of france.
Not really a threat to us our North cyprus at most 1-2k soldiers and some aircraft but the french don't really have resources to spare not to mention that they know that a turkish aggression is unlikely. Just symbolic to satisfy greek crying

Do you think there're actually GCs out there that think the French are actually there to protect them from Turks? I am thinking even they must know they're being used like a tampon.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Do you think there're actually GCs out there that think the French are actually there to protect them from Turks? I am thinking even they must know they're being used like a tampon.

Yes just like there are americans that think that they spend more on nato than all others combined

 

[IC3M@N FX]

FCAS: Deutsch-französischer Kampfjet ist endgültig gescheitert

Es wird laut Handelsblatt-Informationen keine Zusammenarbeit zwischen Airbus und Dassault beim Flugzeugsystem FCAS geben. Der Schuldige steht aus Berliner Sicht fest.

www.handelsblatt.com

Franco-German fighter jet project has definitively failed
Chancellor Merz has decided: There will be no cooperation between Airbus and Dassault on aircraft manufacturing. This brings a long period of uncertainty to an end. From Berlin's perspective, the party to blame is clear.

FCAS is Dead

 

[Fuzuli NL]

FCAS: Deutsch-französischer Kampfjet ist endgültig gescheitert

Es wird laut Handelsblatt-Informationen keine Zusammenarbeit zwischen Airbus und Dassault beim Flugzeugsystem FCAS geben. Der Schuldige steht aus Berliner Sicht fest.

www.handelsblatt.com

FCAS is Dead

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Disagreements between Dassault and Airbus​

Due to disagreements over the division of labor, uncertainty about its role as prime contractor for the Next Generation Fighter (fighter jet), and intellectual property, the CEO of Dassault Aviation publicly mentioned the possibility of a Plan B with a development similar to the nEUROn project when he spoke to the French Senate in March 2021.

The issue of intellectual property and a possible transfer of technology from France to Germany has led to a dispute between Airbus and Dassault. The French side feared losing its economic and technological leadership as the EU's leading aerospace company if German and Spanish companies were to jointly take over two-thirds of the development and production. In May 2021, the participating nations mutually agreed to continue the FCAS project. Several sources from the defense industry were contacted by the French business newspaper Challenges and denied that an agreement had been reached. One source described the report of an agreement as "a communication stance" and "misleading statement" by the three countries. The CEO of Dassault said there was "no agreement on the budget or intellectual property."[29]

At the Paris Air Show in July 2025, Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, once again called for a larger share of the FCAS for French industry. In doing so, he called into question existing agreements on the division of tasks. He hinted at an alternative exit from the program. Shortly thereafter, it became known that Dassault Aviation would receive 80% of the FCAS workshare, which would be a significant disadvantage for the German defense industry.[30]
Shortly thereafter, then-Armed Forces Minister Lecornu visited Germany and met with his counterpart Boris Pistorius. The German Federal Ministry of Defense issued a press release addressing issues (diplomatically referred to as “challenges”) with the FCAS and Main Ground Combat System projects.[31] On October 5, 2025, Pistorius publicly threatened to end the FCAS project. He said he would meet with his colleagues from France and Spain as soon as the next French government was in place.[32]

In mid-November 2025, French Defense Minister Catherine Vautrin said publicly that Germany currently did not have the capacity to build a fighter jet.[33] Mediation between the companies failed in early 2026,[34] with an expectation that politicians in France and Germany would then decide the fate of the project.[35] Alternatively, some have speculated Germany and Spain could join the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP), an advanced project involving the United Kingdom, Italy, and Japan.[36]

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If Dassault wanted to cooperate with TAI, the latter would bring so much more to the table regarding time frame, scheduling, reduced red tape, and quality.
We are behind France when it comes to aviation and engine technology, especially Dassault, and Safran (SNECMA) but we have innovative tech from TAI, ASELSAN, METEKSAN and HAVELSAN. Also cost and expenditures won't be anyway near Airbus'.

 

[Pokemonte13]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Disagreements between Dassault and Airbus​

Due to disagreements over the division of labor, uncertainty about its role as prime contractor for the Next Generation Fighter (fighter jet), and intellectual property, the CEO of Dassault Aviation publicly mentioned the possibility of a Plan B with a development similar to the nEUROn project when he spoke to the French Senate in March 2021.

The issue of intellectual property and a possible transfer of technology from France to Germany has led to a dispute between Airbus and Dassault. The French side feared losing its economic and technological leadership as the EU's leading aerospace company if German and Spanish companies were to jointly take over two-thirds of the development and production. In May 2021, the participating nations mutually agreed to continue the FCAS project. Several sources from the defense industry were contacted by the French business newspaper Challenges and denied that an agreement had been reached. One source described the report of an agreement as "a communication stance" and "misleading statement" by the three countries. The CEO of Dassault said there was "no agreement on the budget or intellectual property."[29]

At the Paris Air Show in July 2025, Éric Trappier, CEO of Dassault Aviation, once again called for a larger share of the FCAS for French industry. In doing so, he called into question existing agreements on the division of tasks. He hinted at an alternative exit from the program. Shortly thereafter, it became known that Dassault Aviation would receive 80% of the FCAS workshare, which would be a significant disadvantage for the German defense industry.[30]
Shortly thereafter, then-Armed Forces Minister Lecornu visited Germany and met with his counterpart Boris Pistorius. The German Federal Ministry of Defense issued a press release addressing issues (diplomatically referred to as “challenges”) with the FCAS and Main Ground Combat System projects.[31] On October 5, 2025, Pistorius publicly threatened to end the FCAS project. He said he would meet with his colleagues from France and Spain as soon as the next French government was in place.[32]

In mid-November 2025, French Defense Minister Catherine Vautrin said publicly that Germany currently did not have the capacity to build a fighter jet.[33] Mediation between the companies failed in early 2026,[34] with an expectation that politicians in France and Germany would then decide the fate of the project.[35] Alternatively, some have speculated Germany and Spain could join the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP), an advanced project involving the United Kingdom, Italy, and Japan.[36]

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If Dassault wanted to cooperate with TAI, the latter would bring so much more to the table regarding time frame, scheduling, reduced red tape, and quality.
We are behind France when it comes to aviation and engine technology, especially Dassault, and Safran (SNECMA) but we have innovative tech from TAI, ASELSAN, METEKSAN and HAVELSAN. Also cost and expenditures won't be anyway near Airbus'.

To give some credit to the french they know more than airbus when it comes to designing a fighter jet so i would trust a french ''6th gen'' more than an airbus jet but still disrespectful they want all the revenue but none of the research cost. If they go at it alone they will spend money that they dont have maybe they will get the indians or maybe gulf states(saudi) to finance the project for limited ToT.
Germany joining Gcap is also unlikely as a co developer only maybe subcontractor for parts like us in JSF project.
Spain now buying kaan is more likely than ever with some spanish subsystem but overall spanish percentage would be much lower compared to hürjet.
At the end of the day just an average French-German project(Tiger, NH90 i know airbus but anyway, MGCS).
Most likely we will field our 6th gen before they do.

 

[Passenger]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2064006265454379436

FCAS is dead.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

To give some credit to the french they know more than airbus when it comes to designing a fighter jet so i would trust a french ''6th gen'' more than an airbus jet but still disrespectful they want all the revenue but none of the research cost. If they go at it alone they will spend money that they dont have maybe they will get the indians or maybe gulf states(saudi) to finance the project for limited ToT.
Germany joining Gcap is also unlikely as a co developer only maybe subcontractor for parts like us in JSF project.
Spain now buying kaan is more likely than ever with some spanish subsystem but overall spanish percentage would be much lower compared to hürjet.
At the end of the day just an average French-German project(Tiger, NH90 i know airbus but anyway, MGCS).
Most likely we will field our 6th gen before they do.

The Tiger and NH-90 were both big flops, riddled with problems.
They looked awesome and had good performances on paper but reality was different.
Take Australia and Norway as examples.

 

[mehmed beg]

I don't know what took so long for the French to f off these German fraudsters
How many billions it coated French industry, German decision to send 10s of billions for Russian gas or now American? It coated the Germans also. What German lobbying did for French nuclear industry, how many useless legislations?
Even military industry, the main aim of Germany is to give the most important segments of any project to USA and Israel, no?
What exactly Europeans want? Britain basically leasing its nuclear arsenal, while France is spending 7 to 8 bn for upkeep and upgrade of those systems?
So that Finns and Germans can sell 1000s armoured vehicles? Czechs and Polish opt for American nuclear reactors???
Besides, France has 2nd largest EEZ in the world and with that, in a way maintains European influence.
Norway wants, just in the case of crisis that French nuclear assets be stationed on Norway territory.
Norway is so generous that they will build 2 3 hardened bunkers, for what? France would risk its existence for for cheap ass buildings?
France can make air engines , frames and avionics. They just need someone to share the costs.
Which normal country would allow to be endlessly donkey for these morons?
Even helicopters , H225 is excellent product and Gazelle is still in service. Probably, all the problems came from others .
It is really shame that France for some reason chooses wrong friends. Probably even that isn't by " mistake".