TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Siper>MMU]

seeker image is not as good as AİM9x

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[TheInsider]

All of the Turkish air defense and A-A missiles(excluding Sungur mandaps) have a two-way datalink.

 

[Test7]

Run Forrest Run!!

 

[Zafer]

seeker image is not as good as AİM9x

We don't know if better image means better accuracy.

 

[Combat-Master]

All of the Turkish air defense and A-A missiles(excluding Sungur mandaps) have a two-way datalink.

"BOZDOĞAN şu an ki haliyle hedefini vurma konusunda çok yetenekli. Lakin yakın gelecekte füzeye eklenecek veri ağı ve atış sonrası kilitlenme kabiliyeti JHMCS gibi kasklar ile beraber kullanıldığında pilotun işi çok daha kolaylaşmış olacak ve füzenin angajman zarfı büyük ordan genişleyecek."

Milli Görüş İçi Hava Hava Füzesi: BOZDOĞAN

Hava-Hava füzesi ihtiyacını uzun yıllardır ABD’den karşılayan Türkiye, GÖKTUĞ projesi kapsamında üretilen BOZDOĞAN ve GÖKDOĞAN füzeleri ile yerli füzelerine kavuşacak. TÜBİTAK-SAGE tarafından çalışmalarına 2013 yılında başlanan GÖKTUĞ milli hava-hava füze ailesinde bugün önemli bir eşik geçildi...

m5dergi.com

Data-Link and lock-on after launch is in the pipe works for Bozdogan.

 

[Tsenal]

seeker image is not as good as AİM9x

You can't judge the seeker quality from the datalink feed.

 

[Era_shield]

seeker image is not as good as AİM9x

Bozdogan footage doesn't show the missile at close range to the target like the AIM9x footage does. When the AIM9x is not close to the target, the 2 footages look almost exactly the same.

 

[TheInsider]

"BOZDOĞAN şu an ki haliyle hedefini vurma konusunda çok yetenekli. Lakin yakın gelecekte füzeye eklenecek veri ağı ve atış sonrası kilitlenme kabiliyeti JHMCS gibi kasklar ile beraber kullanıldığında pilotun işi çok daha kolaylaşmış olacak ve füzenin angajman zarfı büyük ordan genişleyecek."

Milli Görüş İçi Hava Hava Füzesi: BOZDOĞAN

Hava-Hava füzesi ihtiyacını uzun yıllardır ABD’den karşılayan Türkiye, GÖKTUĞ projesi kapsamında üretilen BOZDOĞAN ve GÖKDOĞAN füzeleri ile yerli füzelerine kavuşacak. TÜBİTAK-SAGE tarafından çalışmalarına 2013 yılında başlanan GÖKTUĞ milli hava-hava füze ailesinde bugün önemli bir eşik geçildi...

m5dergi.com

Data-Link and lock-on after launch is in the pipe works for Bozdogan.

Yes. Datalink test will be done this year. All of the A-A and air defense missile projects other than Sungur MANPADS include a datalink.

 

[Siper>MMU]

We don't know if better image means better accuracy.

Better iamge means better counter-countermeasure capability and longer engagement range

 

[TheInsider]

Bozdogan footage doesn't show the missile at close range to the target like the AIM9x footage does. When the AIM9x is not close to the target, the 2 footages look almost exactly the same.

True. This is a smart message to the observers. Look our missile seeker can see targets over 20kms. Untrained people will think it is a shitty image. The real experts got the massage.

 

[Siper>MMU]

By the way as Ahmet Türkeş's statement Bozdoğan weights 140kg's. Which is 50kg heavier than Aim-9X. Maybe with a larger engine, it may have more range.

 

[Siper>MMU]

True. This is a smart message to the observers. Look our missile seeker can see targets over 20kms. Untrained people will think it is a shitty image. The real experts got the massage.

I didn't say its shitty. But it looks worse than Aim-9X at first look. Maybe telemetry datalink can't transmit good quality video? But I think thats because of Şimşek target drones thermal signature. In the video you can't exactly see drones "shape" which is a IIR seekers main way to CCM, but a huge IR signature of Şimşek.

 

[Era_shield]

I didn't say its shitty. But it looks worse than Aim-9X at first look. Maybe telemetry datalink can't transmit good quality video? But I think thats because of Şimşek target drones thermal signature. In the video you can't exactly see drones "shape" which is a IIR seekers main way to CCM, but a huge IR signature of Şimşek.

True, and also the fact that the AIM9x was a top-down shot viewing a turning target from the top/side, while Bozdogan was shot at the Simsek coming directly head-on, which is the hardest angle for an IR detector to see.

 

[Test7]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1382332486877872128

 

[Philip the Arab]

seeker image is not as good as AİM9x

Even if that was true, the Americans have been at this since the 50s and are the pioneers of the technology.

It would be unrealistic to expect Turkey to be able to match its quality when it hasn't been at it for as long.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is a small step in terms of our WVR air to air missile development but a big step in our air to air missile program. Now we can look forward to a family of missiles and of course a ramjet version as well. They will all come one after the other.
One thing that is bewildering however, is the effective range given for Bozdogan as being 25km. Starting point of this missile was Aim-9X Sidewinder. The US missile is smaller in dimensions and lighter in weight with a top speed of 2.5+ Mach and has a range of 35km. Our missile has a top speed of 4+ Mach. Yet a lower effective range.
Either Tubitak is being too conservative in it’s release of technical specifications, or our missile’s weight and size is hindering it’s overall effective range.

 

[Combat-Master]

This is a small step in terms of our WVR air to air missile development but a big step in our air to air missile program. Now we can look forward to a family of missiles and of course a ramjet version as well. They will all come one after the other.
One thing that is bewildering however, is the effective range given for Bozdogan as being 25km. Starting point of this missile was Aim-9X Sidewinder. The US missile is smaller in dimensions and lighter in weight with a top speed of 2.5+ Mach and has a range of 35km. Our missile has a top speed of 4+ Mach. Yet a lower effective range.
Either Tubitak is being too conservative in it’s release of technical specifications, or our missile’s weight and size is hindering it’s overall effective range.

This is limited to the seeker's capability, if you look at the size dimensions of the rocket motor for both WVR and BVR missiles they are roughly around the same size, being that they are in the same family. Like MICA A2A missiles etc..

 

[Era_shield]

This is a small step in terms of our WVR air to air missile development but a big step in our air to air missile program. Now we can look forward to a family of missiles and of course a ramjet version as well. They will all come one after the other.
One thing that is bewildering however, is the effective range given for Bozdogan as being 25km. Starting point of this missile was Aim-9X Sidewinder. The US missile is smaller in dimensions and lighter in weight with a top speed of 2.5+ Mach and has a range of 35km. Our missile has a top speed of 4+ Mach. Yet a lower effective range.
Either Tubitak is being too conservative in it’s release of technical specifications, or our missile’s weight and size is hindering it’s overall effective range.

Could also be due to differences in how the range is specified. Could be missile's maximum flight range, or maximum no-escape zone, or maximum engagement range, then there's release speed, release altitude...

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1382332486877872128

There are already huge amounts of(thousands) Paveway-2 and LGKs in the inventory. This is a continuation contract of LGK project for Mk84s. Over a thousand HGK was also ordered in separate contract deliveries of which was completed in 2019. Production of HGK/KGK/LGK will never stop.