Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[joedhie2k]

well the maestrale upgrade can be finished before 2024

 

[Lordimperator]

How many u214 and scorpene that will be ordered?

 

[Lordimperator]

The French are seriously angry and upset. Lol.

Back then why they didnt offer to 08 their latest FDI ?

 

[Madokafc]

How many u214 and scorpene that will be ordered?

Request for Submarine from silent service is around 12 units, so far we only get 4, and then Limbo contract with South Korean is 3 unit (in which i don't know of they would proceed or not, in my opinion we should proceed to honor the contract for the sake of honoring our own commitment)

So actually we are lacking for another six Submarine

 

[Lordimperator]

six Submarine

Dream : 6 U218 ID + 6 U209 1400

 

[Robiolastecc]

The only consolation for Naval Group is for trying to sale their Scorpene Submarine

How about mistral ma'am? We could sell them for veeeery affordable price
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I mean, it's alright to dream is'nt it?

 

[San.geuk]

Back then why they didnt offer to 08 their latest FDI ?

the Italian ships looks more intimidating, I'm glad they choose over french frigates

 

[buzztami]

they're dwelling in darkness and silence waiting for the right moment , one of their "rekanan" are also succesful to make apache dream becomes true .
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I wonder if there is link for this presentation
Quite interesting, is this possible to happen with $170B budget?

 

[Lordimperator]

the Italian ships looks more intimidating, I'm glad they choose over french frigates

Indeed, and i'm glad they choose fremm over ppa (ugly but fixed radar )

 

[Mandala]

Back then why they didnt offer to 08 their latest FDI ?

Don't know if 08 already received the offer.

"Prancis Mendaftarkan Paten Desain Fregat Belharra ke Indonesia"​

Prancis Mendaftarkan Paten Desain Fregat Belharra ke Indonesia

25 Agustus 2020 Fregat Belharra dari Naval Group Prancis (photo & graphic : Navy Recognition & D-Mitch) Naval Group dari Prancis telah menda...

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[Lordimperator]

Don't know if 08 already received the offer.

"Prancis Mendaftarkan Paten Desain Fregat Belharra ke Indonesia"​

Prancis Mendaftarkan Paten Desain Fregat Belharra ke Indonesia

25 Agustus 2020 Fregat Belharra dari Naval Group Prancis (photo & graphic : Navy Recognition & D-Mitch) Naval Group dari Prancis telah menda...

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Maybe 08 keen to the muscle look and heavier tonnage FREMM Bergamini, anyway does FDI/ Franco FREMM have the BMD capabilities ?

 

[Stuka Dive]

they're dwelling in darkness and silence waiting for the right moment , one of their "rekanan" are also succesful to make apache dream becomes true .
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If LHD fleet really included in 124 bill USD, then again the Naval Group must be all out with Mistrale to compete the Fincantieri with Trieste. The score is 1-0 for Fincantieri by far. And Indonesia would just say: who's gonna give us the best package and ToT ? God, I love to watch this game

 

[Lordimperator]

Mistrale to compete the Fincantieri with Trieste

Wait, Trieste could operating VTOL aircraft jet, Did Mistrale could do the same?

 

[JATOSINT]

Anyway, as why in the heck we don't allow the USMC guys to load their rifle is just beyond me (awful for our overall diplomacy effort). Its look ridiculously silly to carry around their rifle without any mag loaded in.

They have their mag loaded in some pictures

 

[Anmdt]

Our lead ship would be those two AAW destroyer based on the Iver Huitveld class design (as recently based info i got, they chose a larger variant and insist to use 48 Slyver A50 VLS that's why there is delay in production as they adjust the new design and contact the supplier including the parts manufacturer thus the prices had been doubled by then) then the rest of the fleets would be escorted by those six FREMM class Frigates (in which they are general purpose Bergaminni class with 32 VLS and provided with spaces for SCALP Missiles) and we are still in the market for eight more Frigates...

Sounds impossible to get 2x AAW DDG with 48 A50 on each with dedicated sensors to make it an AAW Destroyer just for $720 million. Even i doubt if Chinese can offer such prices.
We are talking about, price of 2 destroyers + IP rights shipped in the package.
When you step up to AAW Destroyer league the prices usually start from $1Billion per piece, with a fixed AESA + Early detection radar (PAAMS, Smart-L + Aster 30 /NT)

 

[Madokafc]

Sounds impossible to get 2x AAW DDG with 48 A50 on each with dedicated sensors to make it an AAW Destroyer just for $720 million. Even i doubt if Chinese can offer such prices.

As i said before, the price has been more than doubled the original price. 720 million US Dollar is only for basic hull of the two ship with basic type of Naval radar and stuff as they are Made them longer and heavier, armament and other cost more than that. That's why delay for so long time as they fixed the design and secure more funding become complex.

 

[Stuka Dive]

Wait, Trieste could operating VTOL aircraft jet, Did Mistrale could do the same?

Woaah....the deck size of Trieste also outnumbered the Mistral, looks like Trieste is more capable for our Osprey to landing on it (Oooops....can I say "Our Osprey" ?, LoL...horang kaya shopping)

 

[Madokafc]

Woaah....the deck size of Trieste also outnumbered the Mistral, looks like Trieste is more capable for our Osprey to landing on it (Oooops....can I say "Our Osprey" ?, LoL...horang kaya shopping)

Osprey is army stuff and they are really getting them

 

[Anmdt]

As i said before, the price has been more than doubled the original price. 720 million US Dollar is only for basic hull of the two ship with basic type of Naval radar and stuff as they are Made them longer and heavier, armament and other cost more than that. That's why delay for so long time as they fixed the design and secure more funding become complex.

Then we are talking a budget nearing to $2Billion? Definitely good luck. It is beyond Danish ability they will get some backing from UK.

 

[Madokafc]

Then we are talking a budget nearing to $2Billion? Definitely good luck. It is beyond Danish ability they will get some backing from UK.

FIGES from Turkey and other German designer (MTG Marinetechnik) is being involved to fixed the design

Babcock had sent their design solution before

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