Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1405500075942420481

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[Parry Brima]

Looks like France is very upset with Italy. They were totally surprised by the Italian deal. Lol.

The thunderclap of Fincantieri in Indonesia strongly shakes France

The slap is enormous for the French export team. Especially since nobody saw it coming.

I mean it's pretty obvious right.

 

[Mandala]

They bring this case into senate hearing in less than week since announcement and no less than head of DGA being summoned. You can see the depth of upset they are bearing, especially in case of economy difficulty like now

The French are seriously angry and upset. Lol.

 

[Lordimperator]

About surface combatant procurement, we didn't use ffbnw scheme anymore right?

 

[Madokafc]

The French are seriously angry and upset. Lol.

The only consolation for Naval Group is for trying to sale their Scorpene Submarine

 

[Madokafc]

About surface combatant procurement, we didn't use ffbnw scheme anymore right?

4,1 Billion Euro is close to five Billion US Dollar nowadays, the price is enough to get the full fledged warships in line with Italy Bergaminni class (around six hundred million Euro) and counted for ToT cost and maybe production line facilities that's very enough

 

[Lordimperator]

4,1 Billion Euro is close to five Billion US Dollar nowadays, the price is enough to get the full fledged warships in line with Italy Bergaminni class (around six hundred million Euro) and counted for ToT cost and maybe production line facilities that's very enough

Whoaaaaaaa

 

[Umigami]

Looks like France is very upset with Italy. They were totally surprised by the Italian deal. Lol.

The thunderclap of Fincantieri in Indonesia strongly shakes France

The slap is enormous for the French export team. Especially since nobody saw it coming.

Michel Cabirol
June 17, 2021, 6:00
5 mins

Will Naval Group's FDI sink Fincantieri's FREMM? (Credits: Naval Group)

Fincantieri's mega-hit in Indonesia announced a week ago is making waves in France. Waves in depth for the moment even if a few bubbles rise to the surface as the great disappointment on Franco-Italian cooperation expressed by the General Delegate for Armaments (DGA) Joël Barre during his hearing at the National Assembly no open to the press. It must be said that the importance of thej contract of 4.1 billion euros (six Italian FREMM frigates and the modernization and sale of two Maestrale frigates), rightly calls out in France at the time when the charge of the Lorient shipyard to Naval Group is not insured for the moment beyond 2028 (after the end of the construction of the five FDI frigates for the French Navy). And this especially since this contract is already in force, according to certain sources from La Tribune.

A lot of questions

Within Naval Group, which has not submitted offers, according to corroborating sources, and within the ministry, the announcement of the contract by Fincantieri surprised many and must have been difficult to digest. It also refers Naval Group and the government to its desire to engage in European cooperation at all costs, and particularly in the naval sector with Fincantieri within Naviris, the joint company specializing in surface vessels. The Indonesian contract of the Italian shipyard is therefore a huge slap in the face for France, which today feels betrayed by its partner. Perhaps out of naivety, the France team however gave the stick to be beaten.

Also, several questions arise after this huge French disappointment: why Naval Group did not submit an offer? What role did Naviris play in this offer? Why were the French so surprised by this announcement? Are the Italians reliable partners within Naviris? While the Italians, who have therefore sold six FREMMs to Indonesia, offer this type of frigates in Greece, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, why has France preferred the FDI to the FREMM?

Naval Group in Indonesia

In Indonesia, the French naval group has somewhat abandoned the surface ship campaigns launched by the Indonesian navy in favor of the prospect of submarines considered more strategic and, perhaps more affordable. It is a choice that was made several years ago by the former CEO Hervé Guillou, then continued by Pierre Eric Pommellet. Other sources believe that Naval Group was even prevented from submitting an offer due to secret agreements between Naval Group and Fincantieri, which shared the world commercially at the time of the creation of Naviris. In this context, Indonesia as well as the Philippines would have been "reserved" for Italian. This agreement did exist, according to a source familiar with the matter, but was torn apart by the blows of a penknife given by Fincantieri in countries "reserved" for Naval Group (Greece, Saudi Arabia and Egypt).

Was it Fincantieri or Naviris, which brought the Italian offer to Indonesia? The sale of the six Italian FREMMs is, according to our information, a project carried commercially by Fincantieri and carried on the political level by a state-to-state market. On the other hand, there is doubt about the renovation of the Maestrale, which could be carried out within the framework of the joint venture between Fincantieri and Naval Group. In any case, in France nobody saw anything coming. Neither the State, nor the intelligence services, nor Naval Group and nor Thales, whose Dutch subsidiary is nevertheless very present in Indonesia. Fincantieri negotiated to the end quietly in the greatest secrecy with Jakarta, where the announcement of the contract with Fincantieri is also making waves. Question: Weren't the compliance services too zealous in blindfolding and covering the ears of France in Indonesia, and more generally in the world?

Read more:

Le coup de tonnerre de Fincantieri en Indonésie secoue fortement la France

La claque est énorme pour l'équipe de France à l'export. D'autant que personne n'a rien vu venir.

www.latribune.fr

Well, if it's true. There's no way they gonna let Rafale deal slip away.

 

[Parry Brima]

The only consolation for Naval Group is for trying to sale their Scorpene Submarine

I can't imagine their reaction if the Japanese decide to troll the French once more with huge discount for Soryu.

 

[Madokafc]

Whoaaaaaaa

Seriously, constelation class with Aegis baseline standard, mk 48 Strike VLS and other stuff costed around 795 million US Dollar. I am afraid we bought a more muscular from of Bergaminni class

 

[Madokafc]

I can't imagine their reaction if the Japanese decide to troll the French once more with huge discount for Soryu.

If this happened, French Naval Group director should find a pen and start to writing resignation letter, we are talking about Billion US Dollar deals along with thousand worker at the stake

As Australian starting to question their deal nowadays

 

[Lordimperator]

Seriously, constelation class with Aegis baseline standard, mk 48 Strike VLS and other stuff costed around 795 million US Dollar. I am afraid we bought a more muscular from of Bergaminni class

32 vls sylver a50/70, vulcano, fixed array kronos, atleast we dont have to worry if Dong Feng missile being launch toward us wkwk

 

[Mandala]

I can't imagine their reaction if the Japanese decide to troll the French once more with huge discount for Soryu.

Lol. Don't forget the Germans has an audacious plan.

 

[Parry Brima]

Lol. Don't forget the Germans has an audacious plan.

Ah, yes that one. The "audacious plan to make the German shipbuilder indispensible to Jakarta". Scary stuff.

France : "We beat you 1-0 in Euro!"
Germany : "No problem. We'll take your $2 bil sub contract!"

 

[trishna_amrta]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1404755994660413449

Some comment of things I've notice in the pictorials. Since I can't find a way to repost the pictorial. So I will give a summary.

Notice how MARPAT Woodland perform better compare to Woodland DPM when against dry savannah like background. However, in another picture, we can see Woodland DPM perform better in dense vegetation (broadleaf) environment.

The point I want to make is, all camo pattern are design toward very specific operating environment. And there is no pattern that is better than the other.

Anyway, as why in the heck we don't allow the USMC guys to load their rifle is just beyond me (awful for our overall diplomacy effort). Its look ridiculously silly to carry around their rifle without any mag loaded in.

Anyway, few of pattern that I had found to be effective in terrain (all weather pattern only)

Broadleaf jungle (thick vegetation)

Kryptek Mandrake

A-TACS FG

Transitional environment

A-TACS FGX

Products bearing those patterns are available with NIR treatment commercially. Although based in my personal experience, the NIR treatment is extremely tricky to maintain.

Bananas pattern (somehow I have difficulty finding the bananas in this picture)

 

[FPXAllen]

I can't imagine their reaction if the Japanese decide to troll the French once more with huge discount for Soryu.

There's still the Gundam deal that they can try to intercept before that.

 

[Mandala]

Ah, yes that one. The "audacious plan to make the German shipbuilder indispensible to Jakarta". Scary stuff.

France : "We beat you 1-0 in Euro!"
Germany : "No problem. We'll take your $2 bil sub contract!"

Lol.

"In any case, in France nobody saw anything coming. Neither the State, nor the intelligence services, nor Naval Group and nor Thales, whose Dutch subsidiary is nevertheless very present in Indonesia."

^^^ To be honest even we didn't see this coming. Lol.

 

[R4duga]

Lol.

"In any case, in France nobody saw anything coming. Neither the State, nor the intelligence services, nor Naval Group and nor Thales, whose Dutch subsidiary is nevertheless very present in Indonesia."

^^^ To be honest even we didn't see this coming. Lol.

they're dwelling in darkness and silence waiting for the right moment , one of their "rekanan" are also succesful to make apache dream becomes true .

 

[San.geuk]

Ah, yes that one. The "audacious plan to make the German shipbuilder indispensible to Jakarta". Scary stuff.

France : "We beat you 1-0 in Euro!"
Germany : "No problem. We'll take your $2 bil sub contract!"

beside submarine stuff what else the German offer to us?

 

[Jaka45]

Lol.

"In any case, in France nobody saw anything coming. Neither the State, nor the intelligence services, nor Naval Group and nor Thales, whose Dutch subsidiary is nevertheless very present in Indonesia."

^^^ To be honest even we didn't see this coming. Lol.

lmao, when Alman said that there is another major contract beside rafale i was like "well it seem like those baguette winning big today with their rafale and now Scorpene deal"

But noo, it's a mothaf*cking FREMM. The last news i remember about FREMM is about our MoD challange them to finish the 1st ship by 2024 which is many people thought impossible, i thought it probably MoD way to save face by give an impossible challange to fincantieri.
Also remember this is before those 1,7 quadrilion thing.
So i never see this coming lol