TR Land Vehicle Programs

Strong AI · May 14, 2025

Saithan said:
Why so far out in the future ?

Sanchez said:
Probably because it's for Altuğ.

What a waste.

Khagan1923 said:
Cause Altug is not ready and has several weaknesses that BMC is not able to fix(for now and probably never tbh). And they don't have a production site for the vehicles.

Because the contract for deliveries in 2027-2028 was already signed.

Sanchez said:
Aselsan's workshare for the 29 Altuğ IFVs is 3.3 million euros per vehicle.

"A contract worth EUR 96,852,535 was signed between ASELSAN and BMC Otomotiv for the supply of Remote Controlled Weapon, Military Communication, Recognition and Identification, Self Protection and Navigation Systems for the needs of the Land Forces Command. Deliveries under this contract will take place between 2027 and 2028."

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But more importantly, deliveries starting from 2027? What?! This has to be a joke.

Strong AI · May 15, 2025

hugh said:
Aselsan 2024 Activity Report has been published

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/2024YiliFaaliyetRaporu.pdf

Development activities have continued for the PULAT 20 Active Protection System, which can be integrated into main battle tanks, and the AKKOR KAMA Active Protection System, developed for light armored vehicles. In 2024, field tests aimed at data collection were successfully completed.

As part of the qualification process for the AKKOR 10 Active Protection System, performance tests against anti-tank threats were conducted in coordination with the procurement authority.

AKKOR 10 systems, integrated into domestically produced ALTAY tanks, have been added to the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) inventory.

Activities are ongoing for the integration of the AKKOR 10 system into both the ALTAY tanks and the Leopard 2A4 tanks that are to be modernized. Additionally, a contract has been signed for the first-time integration of the system onto a platform other than a main battle tank.

Oublious · May 21, 2025

Sanchez · Jun 4, 2025

Sanchez said:
New tactical truck, Kısrak from Koluman. Looks to be based on Unimog. BMC Efe production was ended few years ago. Although no deal was announced, we can expect Kısrak to enter service in the near future as some early model Unimogs were retired beginning from 2022.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841865881841778861

Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930292039737806990

Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...

No Name · Jun 4, 2025

Sanchez said:
Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930292039737806990

Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...

Is it going to actually be used for personal transport, or is that just a classification name sort of thing?

Pokemonte13 · Jun 4, 2025

does anyone know why army is choosing to buy so many different vehicles etc. at the same time do they want to make logistics as ahard as possible?

Strong AI · Jun 4, 2025

No Name said:
Is it going to actually be used for personal transport, or is that just a classification name sort of thing?

I am concerned about their safety in an accident.
You can't use armored vehicles for everything, but are these safe?

mTT · Jun 4, 2025

Sanchez said:
Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930292039737806990

Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...

Not all vehicles need to be armored; each vehicle has a different area of use. A Unimog vehicle might go its entire service life without ever seeing combat. It’s a very suitable vehicle for everyday tasks within a military base. It's ideal for duties such as transporting rations, logistics, military supplies, camp setup and shelter, cleaning, training, and exercises. What kind of armored vehicle could even perform these tasks?

Note: If Unimog vehicles start getting targeted by the enemy, we probably have more urgent problems to worry about.

Pokemonte13 said:
does anyone know why army is choosing to buy so many different vehicles etc. at the same time do they want to make logistics as ahard as possible?

The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have been using Mercedes-Benz Unimog vehicles for various tasks since around the 1960s.

Sanchez · Jun 4, 2025

mTT said:
Not all vehicles need to be armored; each vehicle has a different area of use. A Unimog vehicle might go its entire service life without ever seeing combat. It’s a very suitable vehicle for everyday tasks within a military base. It's ideal for duties such as transporting rations, logistics, military supplies, camp setup and shelter, cleaning, training, and exercises. What kind of armored vehicle could even perform these tasks?

Note: If Unimog vehicles start getting targeted by the enemy, we probably have more urgent problems to worry about.

The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have been using Mercedes-Benz Unimog vehicles for various tasks since around the 1960s.

They make perfect sense as basic logistics trucks of a brigade. But they are named Personnel Transport Vehicles, that's an APC role. They don't even have seatbelts, or seats.

Strong AI · Jun 4, 2025

Sanchez said:
They make perfect sense as basic logistics trucks of a brigade. But they are named Personnel Transport Vehicles, that's an APC role. They don't even have seatbelts, or seats.

Pokemonte13 · Jun 4, 2025

mTT said:
Not all vehicles need to be armored; each vehicle has a different area of use. A Unimog vehicle might go its entire service life without ever seeing combat. It’s a very suitable vehicle for everyday tasks within a military base. It's ideal for duties such as transporting rations, logistics, military supplies, camp setup and shelter, cleaning, training, and exercises. What kind of armored vehicle could even perform these tasks?

Note: If Unimog vehicles start getting targeted by the enemy, we probably have more urgent problems to worry about.

The Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) have been using Mercedes-Benz Unimog vehicles for various tasks since around the 1960s.

thats not what i mean army is buying truck from every company bmc anadolu savunma mercedes koluman and others doesn't it make logistics harder?

Strong AI · Jun 4, 2025

Pokemonte13 said:
thats not what i mean army is buying truck from every company bmc anadolu savunma mercedes koluman and others doesn't it make logistics harder?

Don't all those trucks have different duties?

mTT · Jun 4, 2025

Pokemonte13 said:
thats not what i mean army is buying truck from every company bmc anadolu savunma mercedes koluman and others doesn't it make logistics harder?

Trucks procured from Anadolu Savunma, Mercedes (Koluman), BMC, and other companies serve various military purposes. Anadolu Savunma and Mercedes provide vehicles for transporting systems like the Unimog (personnel carrier), ASELSAN’s radar systems, SİPER, TAYFUN, and HİSAR-O. BMC supplies tank transporters, water tankers, refueling tankers, and 5-10 ton trucks. Each vehicle has a specific role.

Multiple suppliers are chosen to support domestic defense firms and encourage competition, which drives technological progress. Relying on a single supplier poses risks to the supply chain if that supplier faces issues. Using multiple sources helps reduce these risks.

Additionally, different missions require specialized vehicles. Each company’s unique expertise allows for tailored and flexible solutions.

In summary, a multi-source procurement strategy, though complex, improves operational efficiency and supports national defense industry growth when well managed.

Khagan1923 · Jun 4, 2025

Sanchez said:
Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930292039737806990

Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...

Several companies who produce top tier MRAPS and our Land Forces goes and busye unarmored Unimogs. While the Air Force and Navy are clearly thinking a head and actually plan and procure acc to the year we are in our Land Forces Command is clearly stuck in the 80s and 90s. This is slowly becoming a joke.

It is not even like that you could argue they do it to use the budget for other toys (8x8 IFV, tracked IFV, Tanks) no their procurement is pretty shit.

Tornadoss · Jun 5, 2025

Sanchez said:
Up to 300 Koluman PTAs(Personnel Transport Vehicle) are already delivered to army.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1930292039737806990

Using open bed Unimogs without any safety features in 2025 to carry soldiers...

They sold the unimogs in the inventory and now buying more?

mTT · Jun 5, 2025

Tornadoss said:
They sold the unimogs in the inventory and now buying more?

Why were the Unimogs in the inventory sold?

Sanchez · Jun 5, 2025

Tornadoss said:
They sold the unimogs in the inventory and now buying more?

Those were gendarme unimogs, some pretty old.

Tornadoss · Jun 5, 2025

Sanchez said:
Those were gendarme unimogs, some pretty old.

Yes some old but still could be refurebished and be useful.

Sanchez · Jun 5, 2025

Tornadoss said:
Yes some old but still could be refurebished and be useful.

Forcing KKK to use gendarme handouts would be a taller order than forcing them to use light tanks so I'm mostly okay with this. Refreshing the most overused trucks is not a bad idea.

boredaf · Jun 5, 2025

Not every vehicle in the military has to be armoured, nor will they necessarily carry soldiers right into battle, even if they call it a personal carrier. Most of what happens in military happens far behind the lines, if necessary those seats can be taken off and these trucks would become part of our logistics. Or, if the need arises they could easily be armoured in the back for more protection.

And, we probably have more MRAPs and other armoured vehicles than entire European continent has combined, so, I doubt there is any big risk of these going into the front in case of a war, and if that happens, we'd have a lot more to be worried about.

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