Live Conflict Pakistan-India Conflict (2025)

Iskander · May 13, 2025

from a Russian military publication Topwar

Quote from Azerbaijan military publication Caliber

Крах индийской военной репутации и триумф тактической дальновидности Пакистана - Исламабад сбил миф о непобедимых Rafale

Ночь с 6 на 7 мая 2025 года стала переломной в истории военно-политического противостояния в Южной Азии. Удар Исламабада, мастерски подготовленный и блестяще проведённый...

caliber.az

Tom Cooper

Aha... now one IAF loss is confirmed: the Rafale EH with serial number BS001 - the first of 36 acquired by the Indian Air Force (for comparison, see the photo taken at Aero India in 2021, by Arjun...

www.facebook.com

Zapper · May 14, 2025

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922450898883661939

Zapper · May 14, 2025

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922492011526996012

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922492442512949450

Jackdaws · May 14, 2025

Link to full article (without paywall)

India and Pakistan Talked Big, But Satellite Imagery Shows Limited Damage

While the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than both sides claimed.

web.archive.org

What most of us already know but good to see it in NY Times

Zapper · May 14, 2025

Jackdaws said:
View attachment 75111

Link to full article (without paywall)

India and Pakistan Talked Big, But Satellite Imagery Shows Limited Damage

While the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than both sides claimed.

web.archive.org

What most of us already know but good to see it in NY Times

Zapper · May 14, 2025

Modi had S400 system in the background, we have to flex an AD system in the background

Zapper · May 14, 2025

Nationality of the writers in those Rafale Musing articles

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922588725302702145

Nilgiri · May 14, 2025

Nilgiri said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922464441876004897

@Afif compare and contrast it (this is ofc Pak presser claims, but lets assume its the real situation).... with my war sim on CBG (which was more detailed, but same kind of staging first to penetrate coastal sam etc later)

This is what I sketched last year @Rajendra Chola et al. for reference with what I mentioned just now.

Basically the staging area (before any serious penetration or provocation etc) is bounded roughly by the C-602 coastal CM range that Pakistan has.

WhatsApp Image 2025-05-13 at 22.04.37_fdb495b3.jpg

WhatsApp Image 2025-05-13 at 22.06.30_773b06eb.jpg

Rajendra Chola · May 14, 2025

Nilgiri said:
This is what I sketched last year @Rajendra Chola et al. for reference with what I mentioned just now.

Basically the staging area (before any serious penetration or provocation etc) is bounded roughly by the C-602 coastal CM range that Pakistan has.

View attachment 75122

View attachment 75123

And basically tying up valuable PAF aircraft’s to prevent an attack from the south…Going by the performance of HQ9, I doubt it could have prevented a Karachi Naval base attack….

Nilgiri · May 14, 2025

Rajendra Chola said:
And basically tying up valuable PAF aircraft’s to prevent an attack from the south…Going by the performance of HQ9, I doubt it could have prevented a Karachi Naval base attack….

As I chatted with cpl folks elsewhere, IN is also looking at drone + EW packages for navy too (for opponent SAM depletion/spoof etc to make brahmos and CM's in general more potent in their waves - as is proven this time in the scale done this time).

Indian Naval Collaborative Drone Concept Unveiled

The Indian Navy is actively pursuing the Abhimanyu drone as a potential future companion for its crewed carrier-based aircraft.

www.twz.com

Swarm Intelligence & Collaborative Unmanned Drone Systems For Maritime Surveillance - Indian Aerospace and Defence Bulletin - News for aerospace and defence in India

By Lt Col Narendra Tripathi (r) The advent of swarm intelligence and collaborative unmanned drone systems has revolutionized maritime surveillance, offering unparalleled capabilities in threat detection, operational efficiency, and strategic decision-making. For the Indian Navy, integrating...

www.iadb.in

For Indian naval assets, the architecture from IAD side is of course barak + MFSTAR scaled as it is with time.

Nilgiri · May 14, 2025

washpo article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/14/india-pakistan-strikes-conflict-damage/

Rajendra Chola · May 15, 2025

Another fake propaganda and lies busted by him. This time they used cloud shadow and claimed as damage. Day by day, now joined by the Chinese, the frustration is compelling…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922969872645996913

Rajendra Chola · May 15, 2025

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922903212400529412

Zapper · May 15, 2025

PAF's retired Air Marshal Masood Akhtar clearly stating a PAF AWACS has been destroyed along with the death of several PAF personnel during the strike on Bholari airbase

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922993618861609301

Gessler · May 16, 2025

Interesting, snippets from the NYT report:

Speaking of the Nur Khan base, it appears that the targets were not random logistics vehicles but rather Mobile Command Centres (with extendable cubicles deployed):

That is extremely precise targeting & destruction. Also, it points to very good real-time (or near real-time) ISR capability over Pakistan, probably space-based.

Gessler · May 16, 2025

Rajendra Chola said:
Another fake propaganda and lies busted by him. This time they used cloud shadow and claimed as damage. Day by day, now joined by the Chinese, the frustration is compelling…

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922969872645996913

At this point after extensive satellite imagery being made available, it now seems that other than Udhampur AFS in Kashmir, there is no clear evidence of Pakistani munitions causing any damage whatsoever at any Indian air base, period. Even the S400 base seems to be completely untouched contrary to PAF claims.

And even at Udhampur, there seems to be no damage to the runway or any hangars - the only hit is in empty space beside the runway.

This speaks extremely well for Indian AD systems & IADS. A broad range of Pakistani munitions, including drone-based ones as well as Fatah-1/2 & CM-400AKG appear to have been successfully intercepted. In comparison, Pakistan's Chinese-origin AD doesn't seem to have worked very well at all.

====

As an aside, this has major implications to naval warfare as well - as the AAW cover of Chinese DDGs is basically different versions of the HQ-9/LY-80 and the primary ASuW weapon of Indian ships is the BrahMos - which has just demonstrated the ability to penetrate these defences with a high degree of success.

@Nilgiri

Afif · May 16, 2025

Gessler said:
Interesting, snippets from the NYT report:

View attachment 75160

View attachment 75161

View attachment 75162

NYT isn’t always very bright when it comes to military matters. afaik Pak literally has nuclear bunkers? In event of a full blown war, their strategic command isn’t going to be sitting in ministry of Defense building or at GHQ. I doubt India has anything in its conventional arsenal to destroy those Bunkers.

Gessler said:
View attachment 75163

View attachment 75164

View attachment 75165

That is extremely precise targeting & destruction.

Most guided munitions has a CEP of 10m these days.

Gessler said:
Also, it points to very good real-time (or near real-time) ISR capability over Pakistan, probably space-based.

It actually doesn’t. Ukraine war demonstrated similar targeting capabilities by leveraging commercially available Sat imagery.

Afif · May 16, 2025

Gessler said:
This speaks extremely well for Indian AD systems & IADS. A broad range of Pakistani munitions, including drone-based ones as well as Fatah-1/2 & CM-400AKG appear to have been successfully intercepted. In comparison, Pakistan's Chinese-origin AD doesn't seem to have worked very well at all.

There isn't enough evidence available to conclude HQ-16EF/HQ-9BE failed technically. All We can say is, PAF lack adequate numbers of AD compared to IAF. Former only has 1x battery of HQ16EF and 1x battery of HQ9BE. While the later has an order of magnitude more AD systems.

Gessler said:
As an aside, this has major implications to naval warfare as well - as the AAW cover of Chinese DDGs is basically different versions of the HQ-9/LY-80 and the primary ASuW weapon of Indian ships is the BrahMos - which has just demonstrated the ability to penetrate these defences with a high degree of success.

@Nilgiri

Indian navy is much more capable than Pak Navy. But the fact is, it still does not match PLAN. Too much focus on a single weapon system (Brahmos) may not serve India well. It should be obvious after Rafale's debacle.

TR_123456 · May 16, 2025

Gessler said:
Interesting, snippets from the NYT report:

View attachment 75160

View attachment 75161

View attachment 75162

Speaking of the Nur Khan base, it appears that the targets were not random logistics vehicles but rather Mobile Command Centres (with extendable cubicles deployed):

View attachment 75163

View attachment 75164

View attachment 75165

That is extremely precise targeting & destruction. Also, it points to very good real-time (or near real-time) ISR capability over Pakistan, probably space-based.

Really,New york Times?

Gessler · May 16, 2025

Afif said:
NYT isn’t always very bright when it comes to military matters. afaik Pak literally has nuclear bunkers? In event of a full blown war, their strategic command isn’t going to be sitting in ministry of Defense building or at GHQ. I doubt India has anything in its conventional arsenal to destroy those Bunkers.

TR_123456 said:
Really,New york Times?

That's the thing with relying on unnamed sources. You take the good with the bad.

Afif said:
It actually doesn’t. Ukraine war demonstrated similar targeting capabilities by leveraging commercially available Sat imagery.

Ukraine's actions are/were being supported by an entire gamut of Western ISR capabilities (including Private ones acting on the directions of USG). This is not the case for India's actions...not to mention, I doubt we even have commercial integration cells, yet.

It's likely that commercial imagery was made use of at some level, but given the fact active hostilities were ongoing for several days at that point, sovereign ISR assets would also be brought to bear - due to the mobile nature of these targets.

Afif said:
There isn't enough evidence available to conclude HQ-16EF/HQ-9BE failed technically. All We can say is, PAF lack adequate numbers of AD compared to IAF. Former only has 1x battery of HQ16EF and 1x battery of HQ9BE. While the later has an order of magnitude more AD systems.

Indian navy is much more capable than Pak Navy. But the fact is, it still does not match PLAN. Too much focus on a single weapon system (Brahmos) may not serve India well. It should be obvious after Rafale's debacle.

That's true - Rafale is still not integrated well with IACCS and the price of that was BVR capability being limited to what can be managed by MICA. This put the look-first, shoot-first opportunity firmly in PAF's hands.

Live Conflict Pakistan-India Conflict (2025)

Contributor

Experienced member

Experienced member

Experienced member

Experienced member

Attachments

Experienced member

Experienced member

Experienced member

Well-known member

Experienced member

Experienced member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Experienced member

Contributor

Contributor

Experienced member

Experienced member

Experienced member

Contributor

Follow us on social media

About us

Newest members