TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

Strong AI · May 29, 2025

Oublious said:

After watching that video and hearing this part, it gets funnier that our friendly little neighbour thinks, that they would stand a chance. And these capabilities are just the beginning or already just the tip of the iceberg.

"KORAL, Turkish-made KORAL suppressed the target. A true game-changer, game-winner — KORAL suppressed the S300. Then came the small UAVs, which we call “Şimşek” (Lightning), acting as aircraft, further confusing the S300 system. We launched 20 Şimşek aircraft into the air. We launched drones. Only one passed in front of us. That’s 20 cyber attacks. KORAL and Şimşek targeted the S300. Look, Şimşek is passing again, and now we are launching Turkish-made SOM missiles. From about 70 km away — everything you see now is Turkish-made, and there is no missile defense system in the world that we cannot hit. Normally, NATO plans over 30 jet aircraft for such a mission. But we can do it with just 8 aircraft and Turkish-made KORAL and Şimşek. According to NATO standards, at least 30 aircraft are required to hit these threats. 30 aircraft or more. We do it with just 8.

What did we do? Cyber attack. We confused it with KORAL. We completely disoriented them with the super Şimşek drones, and then struck it from 70 km away with the SOM missile. When the big boss — the S300 — was hit, only the short-range surface-to-air missiles remained. We took them out too with Turkish-made bombs, without entering their effective range.

Proudly presented by the Turkish defense industry.

When will Hürkuş join? Looks like it’s coming now. Hürkuş can launch everything that jet aircraft can."

Sanchez · May 30, 2025

Sanchez said:
He probably had some issues relating to having the okay to talk about it publicly, but he said that it is concrete in another comment.

"Speaking on condition of anonymity, three sources with knowledge of the matter, but without authorisation for official comment, said in late May that the airlifters would soon be arriving in the country, with two noting that this would happen “in early 2026”. Janes understands they were referring to 12 surplus UK aircraft, which were retired from Royal Air Force (RAF) service in June 2023."

Türkiye prepares for C-130J airlifters

Türkiye is preparing to receive Lockheed Martin C-130J/C-130J-30 Hercules airlifters into military service, sources with knowledge of the procurement have told Janes and...

www.janes.com

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928416470628786517

Khagan1923 · May 30, 2025

Sanchez said:
"Speaking on condition of anonymity, three sources with knowledge of the matter, but without authorisation for official comment, said in late May that the airlifters would soon be arriving in the country, with two noting that this would happen “in early 2026”. Janes understands they were referring to 12 surplus UK aircraft, which were retired from Royal Air Force (RAF) service in June 2023."

Türkiye prepares for C-130J airlifters

Türkiye is preparing to receive Lockheed Martin C-130J/C-130J-30 Hercules airlifters into military service, sources with knowledge of the procurement have told Janes and...

www.janes.com

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928416470628786517

The only way I see our guys go KC-46A is if Boeing offers them cheap.

Strong AI · May 30, 2025

Sanchez said:
"Speaking on condition of anonymity, three sources with knowledge of the matter, but without authorisation for official comment, said in late May that the airlifters would soon be arriving in the country, with two noting that this would happen “in early 2026”. Janes understands they were referring to 12 surplus UK aircraft, which were retired from Royal Air Force (RAF) service in June 2023."

Türkiye prepares for C-130J airlifters

Türkiye is preparing to receive Lockheed Martin C-130J/C-130J-30 Hercules airlifters into military service, sources with knowledge of the procurement have told Janes and...

www.janes.com

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928416470628786517

Since Türkiye will operate many jet powered UCAVs in the future, imo the MRTT would be a better choice with its automatic refuelling feature.

Sanchez · May 31, 2025

Turkish Qatari Joint Squadron have completed 1000 flighthours. Sounds like some F-15QAs are also deployed there on top of the existing Rafale and Eurofighters. I bet the instructors from the 132. tactics squadron love the experience.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928841523623281058

Strong AI · Jun 1, 2025

114th anniversary of our TURAF

Sanchez · Jun 1, 2025

Strong AI said:
114th anniversary of our TURAF

Uhh??

Strong AI · Jun 1, 2025

Sanchez said:
Uhh??

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Afaik AN/APG-68

RMZN · Jun 1, 2025

Strong AI said:
Afaik AN/APG-68

Yeah, it's an F-16DJ B50

Pokemonte13 · Jun 2, 2025

Two undisclosed aa missiles under development

Strong AI · Jun 3, 2025

We have completed the retrofit of the 8th A400M, also known as "Koca Yusuf," belonging to the Steel Eagles of our skies, and delivered it to the service of the Turkish Air Force.

May it be beneficial to our glorious army and nation!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929817609614049483

Tornadoss · Jun 3, 2025

Strong AI said:
We have completed the retrofit of the 8th A400M, also known as "Koca Yusuf," belonging to the Steel Eagles of our skies, and delivered it to the service of the Turkish Air Force.

May it be beneficial to our glorious army and nation!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929817609614049483

What is the scope of the retrofit?

Strong AI · Jun 3, 2025

Tornadoss said:
What is the scope of the retrofit?

Sanchez said:
Tried looking up but came up empty handed. What does this retrofit entail?
Defence Turk piece regarding the retrofit of the 2nd plane mentions after the 2nd plane, 7 more would be retrofitted; but not 10, the total number we have. Did the 10th plane leave Spain with newer "batch", not needing a retrofit?

Asfat currently has a 2 hangar setup that can accommodate 2 A400s at the same time. Wonder if any foreign customers are on the horizon.

edit. As per the Defence Turkey piecei it's a 2 hangar setup but one of the hangars is for C-heck while the other is for retrofitting.
"The new A400M Maintenance-Repair-Repair (Retrophit) Hangar No. 6 has two chambers, and the A400M C-Check Overhol/FASBAT operation will be performed in one eye of the hangar and the Retrofit operation will be performed in the other."

"Hangar No.6, which A330 MRTT Aircraft with its 60m wingspan and can enter."

A400M Retrofit Hangarı Bugün Resmen Hizmete Giriyor!

Dünyada çok az sayıda ülkenin gerçekleştirebildiği özel bakımları da yapabilen Kayseri, Erkilet’deki 12’nci Hava Ulaştırma Ana Üs Komutanlığı yerleşkesi içinde yer alan 2’nci Hava Bakım Fabrika Müdürlüğü (HBFM) bağlısı Uçak Fabrika Seviyesi Bakım ve Tadilat (FASBAT) Müdürlüğü, inşası tamamlanan...

www.defenceturkey.com

Sanchez said:
I asked the same question few months back, under the quoted message above. Last A400M Airbus delivered to us isn’t set for the retrofit so I’m thinking it’s in relation to a new feature or a change. Surprisingly no info on any Turkish sources regarding what it entails and absolutely no mention of a retrofit in any English language sources. Literally have no idea.

Ripley said:
Same here. Did a lot of search and all I got was retrofit news but no description of what the ”retrofit” contains. One military site said something like “hardware and software“ retrofit. It‘s still a vague description and couldn’t confirm it anywhere else.
Why the secrecy, seriously?

Sanchez · Jun 3, 2025

Well, that's just funny. HvKK and Aselsan discussed further modernizations to F-4 2020s. F-4 2040 on the horizon?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929907148542157160

Strong AI · Jun 3, 2025

Sanchez said:
Well, that's just funny. HvKK and Aselsan discussed further modernizations to F-4 2020s. F-4 2040 on the horizon?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929907148542157160

As long as they are used only for long-range engagements, i don't see a problem to further modernize them.
For example there were talks about air-launched Bora, then Gezgin will enter inventory and we already have SOM.
With Murad and Gökhan it would be a good BVR fighter too, it can fly fast and high.
As a bonus maybe they are working on air-launched SIPER.
So we still need a fighter, which can launch big missiles.

Sanchez · Jun 3, 2025

Strong AI said:
As long as they are used only for long-range engagements, i don't see a problem to further modernize them.
For example there were talks about air-launched Bora, then Gezgin will enter inventory and we already have SOM.
With Murad and Gökhan it would be a good BVR fighter too, it can fly fast and high.
As a bonus maybe they are working on air-launched SIPER.
So we still need a fighter, which can launch big missiles.

They were never modernized for BVR, they don't even carry AIM-120. Another big modernization would require another full replacing of cabling, modernizing the cockpit and so much more for a squadron worth of aircraft that is already outdated by 40 years, to be replaced in 5 years after they are delivered. Which to be honest after reading it, remembering F-5 2000, Şimşek and Işık, does make sense from HvKK's point of view. They love modernizing old stuff to throw the towel 5 years later.

Maybe we can also transfer them to DzKK to be used on the new CATOBAR carrier.

For the love of J79's roar, someone please sign the Eurofighter deal already.

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It's a fucking Greek tragedy.

"On the way we set out to replace the F-4s with the F-35, we could not get the F-35s and were removed from the project, ordered F-16Vs to the country that removed us, made the first payment and said "actually, I wonder if we should go back to the F-35", on the other hand, we pretended to buy Typhoon and finally found ourselves in F-4 modernization."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929927689730761000

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I think we can also discuss modernizing these F-104s in high speed interception duties again, who needs eurofighters with high climb rate when you can just use a rocket motor with wings. Slap a Murad on the nose and 2 Gökhans and should be good enough.

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I'm jesting, because this is genuinely funny at this stage. Air force is bleeding for new fighters since 2010. 15 years have passed with no end in sight. With all these talk of high and mighty, evergrowing number of missions in different parts of the world, but contemporarily, air force is at its lowest point since 1950s. It is a tragedy.

Fairon · Jun 3, 2025

Sanchez said:
Well, that's just funny. HvKK and Aselsan discussed further modernizations to F-4 2020s. F-4 2040 on the horizon?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929907148542157160

I mean, at this point, maybe we should just call up Boeing and pitch the idea of rebooting the F-4 production in Tusas.(just for 30-40 frames) We’ll change the engines with F404, license just the shell, and stuff the rest with our own gear. Wonder how hard it will be to convince Boeing? Cost should be more or less equal to the modernization, no?(I mean, besides the engines)

I am just slightly joking.

Strong AI · Jun 3, 2025

So it makes more sense to use your BVR capable jets to attack ground targets, which are hundreds of kilometers away, because your other platform, which is not BVR capable, is just old? Gotcha.

Strong AI · Jun 3, 2025

Sanchez said:
They were never modernized for BVR, they don't even carry AIM-120. Another big modernization would require another full replacing of cabling, modernizing the cockpit and so much more for a squadron worth of aircraft that is already outdated by 40 years, to be replaced in 5 years after they are delivered. Which to be honest after reading it, remembering F-5 2000, Şimşek and Işık, does make sense from HvKK's point of view. They love modernizing old stuff to throw the towel 5 years later.

Maybe we can also transfer them to DzKK to be used on the new CATOBAR carrier.

For the love of J79's roar, someone please sign the Eurofighter deal already.

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It's a fucking Greek tragedy.

"On the way we set out to replace the F-4s with the F-35, we could not get the F-35s and were removed from the project, ordered F-16Vs to the country that removed us, made the first payment and said "actually, I wonder if we should go back to the F-35", on the other hand, we pretended to buy Typhoon and finally found ourselves in F-4 modernization."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1929927689730761000

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I think we can also discuss modernizing these F-104s in high speed interception duties again, who needs eurofighters with high climb rate when you can just use a rocket motor with wings. Slap a Murad on the nose and 2 Gökhans and should be good enough.

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I'm jesting, because this is genuinely funny at this stage. Air force is bleeding for new fighters since 2010. 15 years have passed with no end in sight. With all these talk of high and mighty, evergrowing number of missions in different parts of the world, but contemporarily, air force is at its lowest point since 1950s. It is a tragedy.

And maybe they are just talking about small stuff like RWR, IFF and Datalink?

BordoEnes · Jun 3, 2025

Fairon said:
I mean, at this point, maybe we should just call up Boeing and pitch the idea of rebooting the F-4 production in Tusas.(just for 30-40 frames) We’ll change the engines with F404, license just the shell, and stuff the rest with our own gear. Wonder how hard it will be to convince Boeing? Cost should be more or less equal to the modernization, no?(I mean, besides the engines)

I am just slightly joking.

F-4 slander will not be tolerated

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