TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

Yasar_TR said:

Indonesia stalls on Turkey's Kaan fighter, demands zero US components before talks resume

The sea was glassy that morning off the coast of Sulawesi, the kind of calm that tricks you into thinking the world is at peace. Fishermen slipped across

www.thecustomstudio.co.uk

Indonesia stalls on Turkey’s Kaan fighter, demands zero US components before talks resume – The Social on Main News

www.thesocialonmain.com.au

Indonesia ties KAAN fighter jet deal to removal of US components

Indonesia demands ITAR-free KAAN jets to avoid US export controls, pushing full independence and delaying delivery until at least 2036.

aerospaceglobalnews.com

According to these news pieces, Indonesia has put the brakes on the KAAN purchase project. They want solid confirmations that no US components are used in KAAN.

Inside these articles it is insinuated that there are many sub components in Kaan that carry US label. (So much for indigenousness).
Yet many times the officials have insisted that they have been using some foreign parts that can easily be obtained from more than one source.

It will be interesting how this obstacle is handled by Tusas.

Click to expand...

Yasar_TR said:

Inside these articles it is insinuated that there are many sub components in Kaan that carry US label. (So much for indigenousness).

Click to expand...

Sanchez said:

3rd doesn't add anything new

Click to expand...

Yasar_TR said:

As far as I can see the highlighted points do add a new perspective. Demiroglu and SSB have been blowing the trumpet that the 48 planes sale was a done deal. Well according to news coming in, it is not. In fact unless the Turkish side can give unequivocally the unquestionable proof that the plane is of all ITAR free produced parts, there is no deal.
It is not just the engine that is being questioned. There are some undisclosed sub systems In avionics and electronic equipment with US involvement and there may be parts we don’t know about.

It is suspected that:

Avionics and Electronics: Reports indicate that key systems, including various electronics and avionics, are derived from or manufactured with US technology.

Design and Components: The aircraft's development has utilized Western technology, with some subsystems subject to U.S. export controls, specifically International Traffic in Arms Regulations

Otherwise why are they still negotiating?

“According to reporting by Indonesia’s Cavok, Indonesia’s contract to purchase 48 Turkish KAAN fighter jets is conditional on the aircraft being completely free of components subject to US export controls.

Indonesia has reportedly made clear that it will only proceed with the acquisition if the KAAN is entirely free of components governed by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). If that requirement is enforced strictly, it would effectively rule out deliveries before the mid-2030s at the earliest.

Indonesia’s proposed purchase of 48 aircraft remains under negotiation, and the export-control condition adds significant uncertainty to both timing and feasibility. “

May be our Indonesian members like @Umigami , @NEKO , @satria or @Mandala can enlighten us in more detail about what Indonesia still negotiating with Tusas.

Click to expand...

Sanchez said:

I disagree; firstly piece mentions nothing. And apart from what any politician or gov appointed bureaucrat says, Indonesia and Turkey signed what is basically an enlarged MoU; not a direct sale. Turkey promised to deliver an ITAR-free aircraft matching Indonesian needs within 120 months, and Indonesia promised to buy 48 of them.

There's also issues about Indonesian bureaucracy about funding and their kinda archaic ways to make business that are to be clarified.

Re ITAR, Kaan does use "western" components; probably a Spanish stick, Brazilian support in landing gears, British chair, design software from Dassault etc. None of this places ITAR restrictions on Kaan; only engines do.

Click to expand...

Yasar_TR said:

As far as I can see the highlighted points do add a new perspective. Demiroglu and SSB have been blowing the trumpet that the 48 planes sale was a done deal. Well according to news coming in, it is not. In fact unless the Turkish side can give unequivocally the unquestionable proof that the plane is of all ITAR free produced parts, there is no deal.
It is not just the engine that is being questioned. There are some undisclosed sub systems In avionics and electronic equipment with US involvement and there may be parts we don’t know about.

It is suspected that:

Avionics and Electronics: Reports indicate that key systems, including various electronics and avionics, are derived from or manufactured with US technology.

Design and Components: The aircraft's development has utilized Western technology, with some subsystems subject to U.S. export controls, specifically International Traffic in Arms Regulations

Otherwise why are they still negotiating?

“According to reporting by Indonesia’s Cavok, Indonesia’s contract to purchase 48 Turkish KAAN fighter jets is conditional on the aircraft being completely free of components subject to US export controls.

Indonesia has reportedly made clear that it will only proceed with the acquisition if the KAAN is entirely free of components governed by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). If that requirement is enforced strictly, it would effectively rule out deliveries before the mid-2030s at the earliest.

Indonesia’s proposed purchase of 48 aircraft remains under negotiation, and the export-control condition adds significant uncertainty to both timing and feasibility. “

May be our Indonesian members like @Umigami , @NEKO , @satria or @Mandala can enlighten us in more detail about what Indonesia still negotiating with Tusas.

Click to expand...