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I guess there's two key takeaways.

KK was an AKP puppet the whole time

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Erdoğan is being kept afloat by Trump. Whenever Trump talks good about Erdoğan, a crackdown against opposition follows soon after.
 

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Türkiye‘s bad economic situation is not a secret, over taxation, law and justice doesn‘t exist, criminiality record high etc. but this useless stupid opposition can‘t get their shit together and win a f****** election where AKP starts 0:2 behind.
 

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Türkiye‘s bad economic situation is not a secret, over taxation, law and justice doesn‘t exist, criminiality record high etc. but this useless stupid opposition can‘t get their shit together and win a f****** election where AKP starts 0:2 behind.
Well now it's clear why, KK was RTEs buddy all along
 
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Türkiye‘s bad economic situation is not a secret, over taxation, law and justice doesn‘t exist, criminiality record high etc. but this useless stupid opposition can‘t get their shit together and win a f****** election where AKP starts 0:2 behind.

feto/ak party infected everything within the state, you dont think they can't infect the opposition?
 

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Of course they can, they started slowly during Baykals reign, everything with FETÖ tactics (kaset...) and when Kilicdaroglu was elected it happened at a faster pace, "Yeni CHP" was officially initiated, hundreds of Kemalists (Ulusalci) were pushed out and replaced by maggots like Sezgin Tanrikulu, sectarian bastards from Tunceli and other filth. Erdogans parasite in CHP turned the Party into a shit show, only a reset to factory settings can save it.
 

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Mark my words, 2-3 years from now and people will find out that not only Kemal Kilicdaroglu but also Ozgur Ozel was Erdo's puppet

People still dont realise that Erdogan or whoever advises him is a master in politics. If such court decision was released a year ago, when the CHP was ahead of the AKP by nearly 5 whole points in polls, then the people would have taken the streets as a sign of revolt against Erdogan's autocracy. However, Erdogan waited until the CHP's incomepetence became visible and their greed became palpable to the point that according to the average of most polls, Erdogan's is actually leading by 0.1 points (clawed his way back from a negative 5 difference). When the CHP's incompetence ripened, Erdo pulled his autocratic move and now no one really gives a shit what happens to the CHP.

The people didnt go to the streets, Europe and the US turned a blind eye aside from some statements and Imamoglu has no one to blame other than himself for his incompetence in not hiding his dirty dealings correctly which gave Erdo the necesaary ammunition to carry out his plan

Now Erdogan is in the middle of creating a psychology of "no stable party other than the AKP" among the Turkish populace; if he succeeds, then he will not only win the presidence next year but also have a majority in parliament which was the whole point of throwing the CHP into chaos in the first place
 

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Mark my words, 2-3 years from now and people will find out that not only Kemal Kilicdaroglu but also Ozgur Ozel was Erdo's puppet

People still dont realise that Erdogan or whoever advises him is a master in politics. If such court decision was released a year ago, when the CHP was ahead of the AKP by nearly 5 whole points in polls, then the people would have taken the streets as a sign of revolt against Erdogan's autocracy. However, Erdogan waited until the CHP's incomepetence became visible and their greed became palpable to the point that according to the average of most polls, Erdogan's is actually leading by 0.1 points (clawed his way back from a negative 5 difference). When the CHP's incompetence ripened, Erdo pulled his autocratic move and now no one really gives a shit what happens to the CHP.

The people didnt go to the streets, Europe and the US turned a blind eye aside from some statements and Imamoglu has no one to blame other than himself for his incompetence in not hiding his dirty dealings correctly which gave Erdo the necesaary ammunition to carry out his plan

Now Erdogan is in the middle of creating a psychology of "no stable party other than the AKP" among the Turkish populace; if he succeeds, then he will not only win the presidence next year but also have a majority in parliament which was the whole point of throwing the CHP into chaos in the first place

Erdogan and AK party are likely Grand Orient Freemasons and the conflict within the nation is against Grand Lodge Freemasonry. The recent mason who got arrested served as grand master of Grand lodge free masonry. Zionism operates under Grand lodge freemasonry, while the Vatican and her various catholic subordinates are allied with Grand Orient freemasonry.

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Grand Lodge Freemasonry is basically the Anglo-American dominated branch in which modern zionism was born from.

BTW the anglo-american British based masonic lodge is generally considerably more powerful globally then grand orient whose mother lodge is in paris. Also worth keeping in mind that Syria after the fall of Assad, Jolani legalised freemasonry in that nation.

Freemasonry absolutely flourished within Turkiye under the Islamists. Its never been bigger nor stronger.
 
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Guys if you dont like chp find another. If you think that there is no party represents your ideas %100 find closest one. If you still dont find anything we can select someone amongs our forum and vote for him\her. So please stop waiting answers. Find your own and act upon. You cant change anything just by complaining here.
 

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"We learned last year from Tom Barrack's infamous confession, confidant to Donald Trump, that legitimacy has now become a commodity that can be imported from across the ocean. Barrack had summed up the Trump administration's approach to the AKP in a single word: "Legitimacy." The AKP, which has squandered its own legitimacy by slaughtering the rule of law and the constitution domestically, has unfortunately been seeking its survival visa on Washington lines for quite some time. And the price for this is always paid by our democracy. Immediately after the May 20 phone call between Erdoğan and Trump, the most heartbreaking example was the rush to encircle and disregard the Republican People's Party and the national will through conspiracies. Moreover, we face a pattern here that cannot be explained by coincidences. Clearly, whenever the AKP gets into a bind in domestic politics, an automatic Washington reflex kicks in. Last year, right after the March 16, 2025, Erdoğan-Trump phone call, Ekrem İmamoğlu's diploma was unlawfully canceled on March 18, he was taken into custody on March 19, and imprisoned on March 23. As you can see, the safe harbor sought by those who cannot find political legitimacy in their own people does not change. Outside, quests for legitimacy under Trump's patronage; inside, antidemocratic domination moves against the national will... Yesterday, that tweet Trump posted and deleted two hours later, saying "Erdoğan declared me the leader of the centuries," once again exposed this permit trafficking behind closed doors. You cannot further demolish the international reputation of the Republic of Turkey by pinning hopes on those phrases Trump used for his personal propaganda and tossed in the trash two hours later! The AKP must understand this: Legitimacy is not imported from across the ocean; the sole and absolute owner of legitimacy is the Turkish nation alone. The era of fleeing from the ballot box and the law to shelter in Trump's shadow to protect your seat is over. In the first election ahead of us, our nation will exact a very heavy price at the ballot box from this imported legitimacy mindset that devalues its own will and from this antidemocratic siege."
 

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"We learned last year from Tom Barrack's infamous confession, confidant to Donald Trump, that legitimacy has now become a commodity that can be imported from across the ocean. Barrack had summed up the Trump administration's approach to the AKP in a single word: "Legitimacy." The AKP, which has squandered its own legitimacy by slaughtering the rule of law and the constitution domestically, has unfortunately been seeking its survival visa on Washington lines for quite some time. And the price for this is always paid by our democracy. Immediately after the May 20 phone call between Erdoğan and Trump, the most heartbreaking example was the rush to encircle and disregard the Republican People's Party and the national will through conspiracies. Moreover, we face a pattern here that cannot be explained by coincidences. Clearly, whenever the AKP gets into a bind in domestic politics, an automatic Washington reflex kicks in. Last year, right after the March 16, 2025, Erdoğan-Trump phone call, Ekrem İmamoğlu's diploma was unlawfully canceled on March 18, he was taken into custody on March 19, and imprisoned on March 23. As you can see, the safe harbor sought by those who cannot find political legitimacy in their own people does not change. Outside, quests for legitimacy under Trump's patronage; inside, antidemocratic domination moves against the national will... Yesterday, that tweet Trump posted and deleted two hours later, saying "Erdoğan declared me the leader of the centuries," once again exposed this permit trafficking behind closed doors. You cannot further demolish the international reputation of the Republic of Turkey by pinning hopes on those phrases Trump used for his personal propaganda and tossed in the trash two hours later! The AKP must understand this: Legitimacy is not imported from across the ocean; the sole and absolute owner of legitimacy is the Turkish nation alone. The era of fleeing from the ballot box and the law to shelter in Trump's shadow to protect your seat is over. In the first election ahead of us, our nation will exact a very heavy price at the ballot box from this imported legitimacy mindset that devalues its own will and from this antidemocratic siege."
Trump deleted his post, probably had panicked calls from the palace 🤣
 

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Türkiye‘s bad economic situation is not a secret, over taxation, law and justice doesn‘t exist, criminiality record high etc. but this useless stupid opposition can‘t get their shit together and win a f****** election where AKP starts 0:2 behind.
I don't feel even an inch bad for CHP and its ilk. They deserve everything Erdogan is doing to them. They have been warned for years about what KK and his goons are.

Never forget the shit they did to Ince, who called KK out a decade ago already. KK who sabotaged the 2018 elections just to get rid of Ince who was the favorite to become the next chairman for the party.

What was their response for years when you mentioned these things? Akplisin yaniiiiiiiii. F them. CHP going down will benefit actual opposition parties like ZP IYIP and so on in the long run.

Özel himself is a KK student now he is mad KK is trying everything to get his seat back. Other than kicking out those in KK's inner circle he let all the rest of the dersimci lobby stay in the party instead of purging the party of them. Because he himself is one.

Last year he betrayed thousands of young Turks who went out to protest, while they were being sprayed with pepper spray and getting beat up he was on top of a fucking bus partying around.

And now he cries that the people aren't there for him and his goons.

Let's be honest he was even preparing his own candidancy for the next election slowly just like KK.

Powerhungry dersimci all of them who love to talk about everything in this country other than what is happening to those who are the actual owners - Turks. Komisyon, talking about presently non existant problems for kurds but when shit gets how they love talking about Turks suddenly nonstop.
 

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Of course they can, they started slowly during Baykals reign, everything with FETÖ tactics (kaset...) and when Kilicdaroglu was elected it happened at a faster pace, "Yeni CHP" was officially initiated, hundreds of Kemalists (Ulusalci) were pushed out and replaced by maggots like Sezgin Tanrikulu, sectarian bastards from Tunceli and other filth. Erdogans parasite in CHP turned the Party into a shit show, only a reset to factory settings can save it.
CHP is infected to the core and needs to be burned down, funnily what Erdogan is doing right now might net him a bigger blow then just letting Özel play his sectarian bs. Ekrem has already been eliminated he isn't getting out until the next elections are over at least, Mansur is passive and has no interest in painting a target on himself and Özel was already preparing his own candidancy for the next elections under the table.

If any of those who are inside right now have any interest in anything else than their own pockets and sectarian idealogues would leave the party tomorrow and joing ZP or IYIP. But they won't, KK will come back and they will give him a standing ovation.-
 

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Who made ZP and IYIP the only choices?They are right wing mate. I accept CHP is not left but come on. Even they start a new party they can get more votes then both parties combined.
 

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Who made ZP and IYIP the only choices?They are right wing mate. I accept CHP is not left but come on. Even they start a new party they can get more votes then both parties combined.
CHP survives on the name alone, change the name and the politics of the majority of its members would disgust 90% of those who vote red every election without evem having a idea who the people are they are voting for. For them CHP=Atatürk. Change the name and they wouldn't even break 5%.

A party that lives on Atatürks' legacy but at the same time dirties it in every disgusting way imaginable deserves no other fate than the one it is getting now.

Also majority of Turks are center to center-right politically. So yes ZP and IYIP are the only real and viable parties majority of voters would move towards with a small minority going to TIP.
 

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That is not even true. I have seen shp,dsp and chp era. Every period is different by its nature. They had changed the name to dsp and shp. And they got more than %5 . So you need to check. And can you remind me what is the taxation policy of ZP and IYIP. They dont give a shit about middle class. So why a leftist vote for nationalist parties. By the way all nationalist parties talk about how much they love this country. But they are never on the street while akp selling everywhere to foreign mining companies. They werent with Akbelen farmers, they werent on the street with Doruk Madencilik workers. So if those parties want support they need to show up while police spreying people.
 

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As many here in the forum know, I generally sympathize with Erdoğan, without being a blind supporter. While undeniable and serious mistakes have been made in domestic policy, I view these as the price the country must pay for its foreign policy and strategic independence. Turkey's path toward an autonomous policy is inherently accompanied by significant economic pressure from abroad. This manifests itself, among other things, in targeted downgrades by US and European rating agencies, a persistent negative framing in Western media, as well as blockades and sanctions that have direct impacts on the national currency, international investor confidence, and global supply chains.

Therefore, it falls short to portray the economic turbulence as a purely homegrown problem. If politicians like İmamoğlu or Özel were in power today and pursued the same legitimate claim to independence—whether in the defense industry, trade, or the Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland) doctrine—the external pressure would be exactly the same. This is not an exclusive "Erdoğan problem," but rather the West's lack of willingness to accept Turkey as a partner on equal terms, given its geographical and strategic key role. The government's much-debated interest rate policy merely acted as a catalyst within this framework, the harsh consequences of which the population must now bear, but it was not the actual root cause.

I also consider the thesis that Kılıçdaroğlu was Erdoğan's puppet to be completely false. In the last presidential election, he was almost neck and neck and was backed by an unprecedented, cross-party alliance. Rather, his failure was the result of fundamental strategic mistakes during the election campaign. Instead of building bridges, he positioned himself aggressively against Erdoğan in almost every interview, completely failing to connect emotionally with the traditionally conservative, religious center-right electorate. By not only criticizing the policies but often launching sweeping attacks on Erdoğan and his voter base, he ultimately drove the conservative center back into the government's camp. Instead of prioritizing the real economic concerns of these people and proving economic competence, the campaign often devolved into a moral mudslinging match. When conservative voters feel belittled by the opposition leader, they will, when in doubt, choose the familiar—namely Erdoğan—even if they are suffering from inflation.

The second crucial mistake of the opposition was disparaging national prestige projects in the defense industry, simply because their initial spark originated from the AKP or was heavily supported by it. Strategically speaking, a party must not attack projects that benefit the entire country while simultaneously strengthening the collective self-confidence of the population. Success breeds success—a phenomenon that can also be seen historically in Germany, where achievements in sports, technology, and the economy have shaped the nation's self-image for over half a century. By discrediting these successes instead of embracing them as a source of non-partisan national pride, the opposition cost itself the election victory.

That is just my opinion on the matter...
 
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