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Pokemonte13 · Aug 14, 2026

emrebnc said:
It looks like the nozzle moved into the body.

No

Şok Tedavisi · Aug 14, 2026

mTT said:

Why did tolun munition missed Its target by a great margin? What is the cep of tolun?

Yasar_TR · Aug 14, 2026

Şok Tedavisi said:
Why did tolun munition missed Its target by a great margin? What is the cep of tolun?

Check my posts at the top of this page and previous page

Şok Tedavisi · Aug 14, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
Re @Pokemonte13
I think he means because tolun spends more time in the air gliding the effect shouldn't be the same compared to teber which falls directly and has less time to correct its heading. I think its not necessary because of the iwb guided munition do not always hit their marks we have seen that before with LGK.

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Laser guided munitions should hit moving targets with precision.
There is no excuse if they can’t hit a stationary target.

We have seen mam-l perfectly hit moving targets countless times, It is weird to see teber and tolun miss by great margin just like you said there is no excuse for it.

Şok Tedavisi · Aug 14, 2026

Pokemonte13 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2069675774890676680
LGK misses again but teber looks good

@Yasar_TR again another munition misses its target while being fired from KE platform whats up with these misses all the time?

Huelague · Aug 14, 2026

The important question is not , why they missed the target on a high accuracy. More important question is, why they post the obvious failure?

Yasar_TR · Aug 14, 2026

Huelague said:
The important question is not , why they missed the target on a high accuracy. More important question is, why they post the obvious failure?

In the case of IWB release, looking at first instance it is not a failure. The whole system of internal weapon bay release worked well. Bombs left their release pylons and the plane, without hitting the plane. They even got close to hitting the target. But the missile should have hit the target closer. See below Anka-3 IWB drop last year.
But as explained above a lot of other parameters need to be taken in to consideration. As mentioned in my previous post above there are many unforeseen forces that would affect precision targeting (as copied below). These will have to be taken in to consideration and calculated in to weapons release. So Baykar has a long way to go yet.

Seeker Acquisition problems: IIR, IR, or RF seekers can experience a delayed "lock-on" or distorted acquisition during going through this turbulent air beneath the aircraft fuselage.
Aeroacoustic problems: These causes high vibrations inside the open bay that would vibrate the internal seeker electronics, gyros, and inertial measurement units causing targeting faults before or during release.
Flow Disturbances: An abrupt transition from a calm internal bay to a near stormy air flowing bay would cause severe oscillations, and roll that could displace the munition off its intended initial trajectory.

But in the last video of @Pokemonte13 that @Şok Tedavisi has shared, LGK-82 missile has missed the square and Teber-82 missile just managed to hit inside by very little margin. But we don’t know what size those squares were. However looking at the nearby roads they are very large squares.

The LGK82 is Aselsan’s pure laser guidance kit munition.
Teber-82 is Roketsan’s hybrid GPS/INS and laser guidance munition

LGK-82 has a a CEP value of around 10 metres.
Teber-82 has a CEP value of less than 3 metres.

(Tolun-P has a CEP of less than10m too.)

So really being laser guided means, these are extra precision hitting missiles.
93.7% of LGK-82s should hit within 20 m, with 50% being inside 10 m.
93.7% of Teber-82 should hit within 6m, with 50% being inside 3m.

There seems to be something wrong with either the missiles‘ targeting or the KE’s release mechanism is affecting both missiles’ targeting systems.

Below is the first IWB release of Tolun munition from Anka-3 hitting target with a bulls eye. Showing KE how it is done. So there must be something to do with KE systems affecting the missile. I guess seeing is believing.

Huelague · Aug 15, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
In the case of IWB release, looking at first instance it is not a failure. The whole system of internal weapon bay release worked well. Bombs left their release pylons and the plane, without hitting the plane. They even got close to hitting the target. But the missile should have hit the target closer. See below Anka-3 IWB drop last year.
But as explained above a lot of other parameters need to be taken in to consideration. As mentioned in my previous post above there are many unforeseen forces that would affect precision targeting (as copied below). These will have to be taken in to consideration and calculated in to weapons release. So Baykar has a long way to go yet.

Seeker Acquisition problems: IIR, IR, or RF seekers can experience a delayed "lock-on" or distorted acquisition during going through this turbulent air beneath the aircraft fuselage.
Aeroacoustic problems: These causes high vibrations inside the open bay that would vibrate the internal seeker electronics, gyros, and inertial measurement units causing targeting faults before or during release.
Flow Disturbances: An abrupt transition from a calm internal bay to a near stormy air flowing bay would cause severe oscillations, and roll that could displace the munition off its intended initial trajectory.

But in the last video of @Pokemonte13 that @Şok Tedavisi has shared, LGK-82 missile has missed the square and Teber-82 missile just managed to hit inside by very little margin. But we don’t know what size those squares were. However looking at the nearby roads they are very large squares.

The LGK82 is Aselsan’s pure laser guidance kit munition.
Teber-82 is Roketsan’s hybrid GPS/INS and laser guidance munition

LGK-82 has a a CEP value of around 10 metres.
Teber-82 has a CEP value of less than 3 metres.

(Tolun-P has a CEP of less than10m too.)

So really being laser guided means, these are extra precision hitting missiles.
93.7% of LGK-82s should hit within 20 m, with 50% being inside 10 m.
93.7% of Teber-82 should hit within 6m, with 50% being inside 3m.

There seems to be something wrong with either the missiles‘ targeting or the KE’s release mechanism is affecting both missiles’ targeting systems.

Below is the first IWB release of Tolun munition from Anka-3 hitting target with a bulls eye. Showing KE how it is done. So there must be something to do with KE systems affecting the missile. I guess seeing is believing.

Bro, you should read my post again

Şok Tedavisi · Aug 16, 2026

Diffrence between private sector and the state owned one

Yasar_TR · Aug 16, 2026

Huelague said:
Bro, you should read my post again

I know where you are coming from.
When there is a video of Anka-3 showing the same munition being tested and hitting a bulls eye, why put a video where you clearly missed the target?
It is stupid! At least get help from Tusas to correct it. Then publish a video.
Heck! These laser guided munitions should hit moving targets on the ground. Missing a stationary target that big is unforgivable.

Huelague · Aug 16, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
I know where you are coming from.
When there is a video of Anka-3 showing the same munition being tested and hitting a bulls eye, why put a video where you clearly missed the target?
It is stupid! At least get help from Tusas to correct it. Then publish a video.
Heck! These laser guided munitions should hit moving targets on the ground. Missing a stationary target that big is unforgivable.

Why advertising a system (missile/bomb) in a video which doesn’t fulfill the requirements to 100% and publishing it? I don’t get it.

Zafer · Aug 16, 2026

Huelague said:
Why advertising a system (missile/bomb) in a video which doesn’t fulfill the requirements to 100% and publishing it? I don’t get it.

The target is already in the kill zone, it is a success.

Şok Tedavisi · Aug 16, 2026

Zafer said:
The target is already in the kill zone, it is a success.

You have something called free will Zafer, you don't have glaze anything because of your political beliefs If there is something wrong you can actually criticize it, It was a complete miss.

Huelague · Aug 17, 2026

Zafer said:
The target is already in the kill zone, it is a success.

Do you thing they see it the same way? A company with high standards.

Zafer · Aug 17, 2026

Huelague said:
Do you thing they see it the same way? A company with high standards.

I do, targets are 3 dimensional, this 2 dimensional surface is not very representative. Ammo hit the target on its feet, developers aren't clapping hands for nothing.

Anmdt · Aug 18, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
Teber 82 just about hits the target. But it is not really representative of a guidance kit that Roketsan states has a CEP of less than 3m. Teber is a guidance kit Specifically produced for precision hits.

TolunP is a complete miss though!
That is well within collateral damage area.
Roketsan gives “less than 10m CEP” for that munition.
that means 50% of missiles will fall within a circle of less than 10m radius. 43.7%. will fall wihin less than 20m radius circle.
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These munitions were tested before from other UAV and air platforms with much better results.
It is clear that the releasing them from KE IWBs is having an adverse effect. That needs to be addressed.

Nevertheless, great news that IWB of KE is becoming operational.

Besides all, we don't usually aim for the "pin-point accuracy" unless that it is a munition dedicated for low collateral damage - hence why doctrinal approach exists on the seeker technology. And CEP is statistical, as per you stated already, it means there will be munitions straying away from the CEP radius, or else the CEP would have been stated as lower. Statistically these must exist, and we are publishing them, it is a nice thing, and not a failure. Mark my words, a predicted off-shoot is not a failure.

That's why these munitions have warheads made for inflicting fatal damage on personnel and equipment within two-times of the CEP.

And it seems to me that discussion has grown over to a point which we are comparing INS/GPS guidance, without knowing whether they switched to INS only terminal, to a SAL guidance which is known for sub meter accuracy and much less CEP.

So all in all, the IWB release doesn't seem to have much effect on the missile (It would on the other hand, for a air-to-air missile) but it is the INS guidance, and mostly the statistical point of view on the CEP.

Pokemonte13 · Aug 19, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090042974251942367

TB3 with sonobuoy launcher and fuel tank

Pokemonte13 · Aug 19, 2026

Sanchez · Aug 19, 2026

Pokemonte13 said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090042974251942367
TB3 with sonobuoy launcher and fuel tank

Finally.

Şok Tedavisi · Aug 19, 2026

Aksungur is more suited for that role

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