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This is exactly where the "stealth" factor of 5th generation impacts. See first, shoot first. Besides dogfights nowadays only occur during training with "friendly" forces. When was the last time a fighter jet was downed in a dogfight?

Sure I do not disagree with that, but see US and China buying 4th gen is to support their own industry and that is not a dumb thing to do. Question is who do we support if we chose at this point a 4th gen? Chosing a Hurjet light fighter would be acceptable just like US and China is doing...

Yes I guess so, not my opinion but that of an experienced US pilot.

I started this discussion of drone vs F35, because all nations (who can build it) are rushing now to build stealth "loyal wingman" drones. The basic idea is of course that these drones fly ahead of the "mothership" 5th or 6th generation fighter jet. They will serve both ways, if they can detect...

KE vs F35 makes as much sense as Kaan vs F35 Stealth seems to be the determining factor, see first shoot first. Question is how stealth is KE and how stealth will be Kaan (assuming that 0.01 RCS is a real value for F35, cos honestly we do not know the real RCS of F35 neither)

American pilot about F16 vs F35 He basically says F16 beats F35 in dogfight, but from distance F16 has no chance. A 4th gen fighter jet stands no chance against 5th gen. that's why I am vehemently opposed against purchase of Eurofighter (pure crap) 4th gen fighter stands no chance against...

Ideally you are right. But it's like prosthetics that are made when there are no patients who need them. The navy has plans since 1999 for aircraft carriers, did we build the battle group ahead? What did we do in that 25 years? A big nothing!

Won't happen! It is like did we build engines before building armored vehicles, tank??? Did we build ship engines, VLS before building frigates? Do we build naval aircraft before and aircraft carrier? Some things are build when there is a demand, when there is a need. An aircraft carrier will...

Ok, you have some arguments although I still not believe that Hurkus is the good platform to modify into a drone. I think we already have advanced so much in drone tech that we past the point of need to modify a turboprop plane into a drone. Our companies maasallah design the finest dedicated...

I know bro, I still have the journal "ulusal strateji" from 1999 in which the navy was advocating for an aircraft carrier. But tell that to some who cannot differentiate between state policy and political party policy. All these political arguments kill the discussions and make it stray from...

Let's brainstorm Nothing wrong, but what is the advantage to do so? First of all Hurkus is not stealth, so what is the advantage to turn it into a drone while we have Kizilelma and ANKA-3? I do not think the price is $15mln but suppose it is, what about the extra costs to turn it into a drone...

Why do you guys always make it a "political" thing. National defense industry is what our state needs, independent of what political party ever.

Best defense is offense! If you do not have the means to strike your defenses are incomplete. I support the aircraft carrier, we need to be able to have a foothold in Africa.

Turkiye should in my honest opinion not go for Eurofighter. Let's face it everything that European consortiums have build are crap. NH90 is crap, Tiger helicopter was crap (Australia dumped both and reverts back to American quality), the British retire their Eurofighter's at half life. We are...

I-class has AESA and also the modernized Meko But what has it to do with AESA for aircraft, can't we do it in parallel? We can't and we should not wait.

Well every time we get this engine argument, which is not so valid IMHO. 5th gen general characteristics are: - stealth - internal bays - sensor fusion - AESA radar So by characteristics Kaan is a 5th generation fighter jet. The Korean jet is stealth but has no internal bays, which classifies...

What are the criteria of 5th generation? It has all the criteria to qualify it as 5th gen.

The avarage American doesn't even know where Turkiye is, and suddenly that (for them) non existing or small insignificant country comes up with a 5th generation fighter jet they are tended to believe it is some crap like the Iranian Qaher-313 mockup

The problem is that the US does or did not take the TFx much serious, but now it strikes them as serious they may reject the sale of the F110 engine. That would be a great setback of multiple years until our own engine is operative (if ever)

I have no hope on end of terror when we keep trying to fill a bucket without a bottom