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  1. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    This was the original production scheme, T1, T2 and T3 phases I am inclined to say with so much fuck up with this Arjun Altay tank to skip T1 and T2 and directly go for T3 with the Roketsan turret
  2. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    Wasn't BMC supposed to make the whole powertrain?
  3. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    What a garbage program the Altay tank has become. It's one of SSB's shame projects
  4. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Did I miss something? Did the US decide not to give F16's?
  5. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    I can't imagine, firstly it gets a complete new turret, whether you place that turret on the M60 or take for instance Tulpar or Kaplan won't make the price difference. The tank itself will get new FCS, new engine (1200hp is the aim) and if you place a new engine you automatically have to...
  6. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    Looking from another perspective how do you guys look at upgrading the M60? I am not even speaking about the dumb item of looking for 1200hp engines from England. Take the M60 which is how many years old, 40, 50? How much sense does it make to turn this old tank into this?: It will still be...
  7. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    Well we get the opportunity to see how western tanks will fare. All we have to do is watch closely and learn, it will be very educative
  8. Nutuk

    TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

    IMHO we should not invest much in tanks anymore, upgrade a hundred M60, upgrade 200 Leo 2A4 and produce 150 Altay (not more) The tank is already for some time not the strong weapon it has been in WW2. Back than there were not that many dangers for a tank, and it was a difficult to stop weapon...
  9. Nutuk

    TR Navy Naval Programs

    Bro any info on which shipyard STM will use for the STM500 mini subs? I thought the Izmir alaybey shipyard was prepared for submarines, no?
  10. Nutuk

    TR Navy Navy|News & Discussions

    Well, there is one constant. From US to Europe everyone is openly and secretly embargoing Turkiye. A strong Turkiye is for none of them in their interest. France is already crying about Africa. Turkiye arming all the countries that the west try to keep down is absolutely not in their interest
  11. Nutuk

    TR Navy Navy|News & Discussions

    Naval operational needs do not fall from the sky. Pretending that Type-23's are suddenly urgent need is just silly. We have enough capacity to build ships, we are building ships for Pakistan, Ukraine but do not have room to build ships for our own navy? Bogus. Yes we did have delays due to...
  12. Nutuk

    TR Navy Navy|News & Discussions

    1) Do you know what ruined the Turkish defense industry in the 50'ties when entering Nato? Free materials (nothing is for free, just a means to destroy your defense industry and enslave you) 2) The ships have to be modernized to fit Turkish doctrine, Genesis advent combat management upgrade at...
  13. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    “Once they are delivered, the upgrades and the modernisation of command and control systems would take at least 18 months to two years,” the source added. I can't imagine that our navy is even considering this crap. Supose taking into service: 6 - 12 months command and control system: 18 - 24...
  14. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Yes but the IP rights of volvo engine which is a version of the F404 belongs to Sweden
  15. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Ge transferred tech to the Swedish Volvo, that is used in the Gripen fighter jet
  16. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    ?? F119 is from Pratt & Whitney not from UK!
  17. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Sure, we always have the risk of embargo on our back. Difference between US and Europe is that Europe only can rely on embargo(es) and we are just handing them over the stick (ironically paid with our own billions) We have to bank on drones so much that embargoes won't have effect anymore...
  18. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Bro, we do not disagree on strengthening Turkiye, on the contrary. Just EF2000 is not the way, it will be a weakening factor because we become so prone to sanctions and deterrence gets nullified. You do not have to describe how treacherous Europe is, I live there! Europe will only be deterred...
  19. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Well I truly hope our MOD does not make the stupidity of the century to buy those EF2000, dealing with Europe will be ten times worse than US. Billions for tincans we won't be able to use All we do will be handing over Europe a big stick to hit us (with sanctions): - you are drilling in Cyprus...
  20. Nutuk

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Who includes them? US? Yeah they can, since their own companies produce them. Name me one country who goes for 5th generation and includes also new purchases of 4th generation. Israel is the only one going for F15EX and that is because of the range, do we get more range with EF above F16...

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