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  1. Spitfire9

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Qatar ordered 24 Eurofighter. First delivery was August 2022. The UK assembly line at Warton had delivered 12 by August 2023. As far as I know the Qatari aircraft are the only aircraft left to be assembled at Warton. RAF orders were completed in 2019. Italian air force orders were completed in...
  2. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    I recall that when the wing load test was applied to A380 (150% of maximum load it was ever expected to encounter in service), the wing failed at 147%. Had it reached 150% but not failed, would it have been considered serviceable thereafter? What was GTU-0 subjected to in tests before being...
  3. Spitfire9

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    It could be useful to find out for sure if Eurofighter can be supplied. If so - LM does not have a potential captive customer (so cannot charge highest price) - political risk of future supply cuts is altered (possibly lower than with US) - Eurofighter delivery may be much faster than F-16 delivery
  4. Spitfire9

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    Is the block on EF supply being lifted? I reckon that Turkiye should establish the answer. If EF supply to Turkiye can be unblocked, what about just buying the F-16 kits and Eurofighters? I don't recall which Eurofighter partner country is allocated marketing to Turkiye. If it is the UK, UK...
  5. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Frame #0 was supposed to be a static test frame??? It sounds like it got waylaid somewhere along the line by non-engineering considerations.
  6. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Thanks for the info, all concerned. If the aircraft being built are what would be best described as technical demonstrators, that paints a different picture of the project to the one that I was seeing.
  7. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    I defer to your better knowledge. However, from the mouth of the head of TAI in mid- December I heard that TAI were still aiming for the 27th December as FF date. In January I heard FF would be in days IIRC. No mention that CDR had been completed. No mention of waiting for completion of CDR...
  8. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    I don't understand. Why build a first prototype, roll it out, taxi it around but wait until a second prototype is built before flying the type?
  9. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    I am aware that CDR acceptance is normal before embarking on prototype building. As far as I know Kaan development does not fit the norm. Having built the first prototype, what would be the point of waiting to fly it if it is ready to fly and start gathering flight performance data? Perhaps it...
  10. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Your assessment of probability is unusual. My understanding is that the prototypes being built are design development airframes, subject to change, rather than 'identical' aircraft to test a frozen design. Out of curiosity, a prototype aircraft exists that moves under its own power on the...
  11. Spitfire9

    India AMCA Program

    I think that you would do well to look at Indian news media and forums to get an idea of how much of a shambles Indian procurement is. Why are many projects botched? see above. A couple of examples using what you mentioned: The Marut was designed to be a supersonic fighter to be powered by...
  12. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    I think that KF-21 and Kaan are planned for a production rate of 20 a year. If, for example, Philippines wanted to order, would KAI raise the production rate? Same thing could be asked if a country wanted to order Kaan in its early production years.
  13. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Until a contract between India and Dassault is signed including exactly what is required of a new engine, what techologies are to be transferred from Safran, workshare breakdown, cost etc - it's not a done deal. I will not be surprised if CCS approval is stalled until after engine contract...
  14. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    I would have thought that Turkiye, with a number of engines planned for the future, might have started a project to build a flying engine testbed. Going back a few years A340's could be bought for next to nothing. PS I believe that an airworthy A340 retired in favour of the much more efficient...
  15. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    In that case it sounds like the company developing the engine will need to buy in flying testbed testing on a foreign OEM's testbed aircraft unless Turkiye wants to develop and build one itself.
  16. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Perhaps this 2028 'fly on Kaan' date means using a Kaan as a flying testbed (1 x F110 + 1 x T35kN)?
  17. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Does anybody seriously believe that Kaan will fly with a domestic engine before the 2030's? The 2028 target is based on what? Optimism of the most extreme order, I think. Or nothing at all - just a convenient, fictitious date. Is there some need to convey the impression that if the US blocked...
  18. Spitfire9

    TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

    Has the government turned the maiden flight date into a political event or are there engineering reasons for delaying? If timing of the maiden flight is geared to the upcoming election, does every day first flight is postponed delay completion of development by a day? I imagine that development...
  19. Spitfire9

    India AMCA Program

    I believe I read reports that a titanium AMCA bulkead was produced a year or so ago. Does India have a forge capable of making such a component?
  20. Spitfire9

    TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

    You are putting words in my mouth. Why did President Erdogan go to Germany? Was it not in the hope of persuading Germany to lift the block on EF export to Turkiye? How well did President Erdogan choose his words in seeking to reach that objective? Let me know if he succeeded in reaching his...

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