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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    Do we have option aside from the western when PLAN/ PLAAF strike on Natuna? India, Russia?
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    Thank you for the correction, security partner and guarantor.
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    If we dont learn from the past, we might be the same fate as Dutch Indies invaded by IJA. For statesman, there is only eternal interest (more or less same as ravager mentioned) if our interest align, i dont see why do we miss the chance tho. Do you want to detach like the Duterte did, kicked...
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    Did they include reiss class in our tender back then?
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    Should've followed France with its independent policy. Dont forget PRC also got their submarine tech from the USA back then.
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    Yep 1 billion, for 3 submarines plus ToT. The cheapest on the tender with that amount of subs, if iam not wrong.
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    France also sent their LHD as hospitalship. Still hating Rafale?
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    LoL, hating US yet our biggest ally on the pacific just because their dumb policy on MEA.
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    Welp its up to you, since your argument fueled with dissappointment toward western policy maker. I dont want these discussions dragged onto Palestine-Israel. Its just go bleak for them. I mean: Exocet on USS Stark, HMS Shieffield, Iranian F14,
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    Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

    history dictates there is no kill switch for western made. they do it via embargos, veto on export license so it couldnt fall to their adversaries and they limit the weapon range. also our main adversary is China, then why do we bother invites Australia to our exercise * super garuda. I put the...
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    there is a reason why they stationed CH4 on Natuna. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3220830/built-watchdogs-protect-china-its-own-drones-military-source
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    to my fellow Indonesians, was it the same person halt the IFX payment? Signed by AFK MoD?
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    Plus the Chinook blade cant be folded. The QE lift 27 x 15m vs Navantia LHD 13 x 13m, yep its smaller.
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    I dont think chinook will ever fit on the elevator, for comparison HMAS Adelaide could be landed by Chinook on its deck (up to 4 chinook).
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    The limited access about the knowledge whats actually happened behind the door. Not all things being published. At the end of the line, we got what we paid, 1 billion for 3 ssk plus ToT. It is what it is.
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    OPV 90 building in progress, unknown date. Credit: Eka Tryana
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    Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

    Are those the empty vls? (Red mark)

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