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Ah you Canucks, always have to remind Americans that Kirk is actually one of you, heh? :LOL: BTW funny you brought this up TurAF personnel call Phantom affectionately as “Baba” literally meaning “Pops”. It has dual meaning in Turkish, though. first one of course as one’s own father and an...

And the name being uttered by the “Khan” of ham acting himself, Mr. Shatner makes it more iconic imo :LOL: @Sanchez , @Nilgiri

TF100. I thought it has been left on the ash heap of history a long time ago which I never understood why, btw. So, you’re thinking of something around 6000 tons with 16-32 cells VLS. Could they work around TF2000 to create a lighter weight hull from it, a TF2000 series of ships like Milgem...

Then it’s official now. Turkish Navy really needs a 4000 - 5000 tons ship between Istif and TF200. If the TF2000 designed with the criteria of “Unconditional operation at sea state 5 and conditional operation with speed and heading limitations at sea state 6” then it’s fair to assume that...

I think we need to revisit the moniker issue. I had posted about it a while back then. F= Fighter ==> Savaşçı (TR literal tranlatio) F= Avcı (TurAF designation) Its usage is almost identical to “Jagd” by Germans, meaning “Hunter” B= Bomber ==> Bombacı (TR literal translation) B= Bombardıman...

Other than the pronunciation difficulties I like this better. And it defines the odyssey of Turkish aviation industry, MMU in particular. English translation sounds nice, too. Born Free!

I doubt whether he missed the meaning there. He simply tried to refer the status ”as is”. He didn’t say it was a testbed iirc. In fact, that’s why I quoted it as “a good test bed” as it is currently, not “the test bed” and as a prototype it’s lacking many components obviously and even maybe...

There was this *contributor at trmilitary forum who suggested that this was “a good test bed”, not Atak 2 itself. Well, looking at this bare-bone “aircraft” stripped of fuselage parts and lack of many components, I’m beginning to believe that is the case. *EDIT: I would gladly share his name...

Looking at it From TN perspective, the first thing, top of my head, I can think of is that they really might be lacking some specific surface platforms :rolleyes:

If that is the case, i e putting them in the bag as part of a lump sum deal that would have involved some level of strategic partnership, then yeah, I’d swallow that sugar coated stuff happily but the impression I get now is that they just wanna sell stuff. Don’t quote me on it, though. Only my...

Well I can promise you that it definitely matters for Turkey now when stuff is “old, new, rotten, ragged as long as it's American” First of all, It’s been years since we purchased anything from the USA or Germany for that matter. As a matter of fact, at one American defense site, it was...

Dude, It has been discussed a while back in the forum when it first came out. I’m on the opposing front and no they are not junks but not at desired level with the future TN fleet structure either. Their only superior feature as I can gather is their sonars. Other than that, there is not a...

Didn’t see anything regarding that matter in the briefing but really wish that it would be an integral one rather than a pod.

You make a good point here however as you illustrate it, swooping down to 2km or so means it will have to leave its safe zone up there, diminish its low RCS and radar signatures advantages only to be visible to the naked eye and plunge into, perhaps a “SAM Valley” or perhaps a carefully and...

Hope he does. Fun fact about Turkey: No matter how behind she is in any technology, she has proved many times since the founding of the republic that once determined to acquire a given technology, she eventually gets there either incrementally over time or just pops out at the finish line!

I agree that a 30mm cannon on any aircraft would make it a natural candidate for CAS operations but why would you deviate KE from its main purpose while there are other cost effective UAV solutions in your inventory with precision kill capabilities from specific altitudes on any soft target...

Well, don’t get me wrong, TB2 is a capable little devil and it proved itself but like you said comparing mission effectiveness and wide variety of mission profiles, Akinci I believe in another league.

So true. With its payload, including bvr and cruise missiles and not mention long range and endurance, it is a strategic asset that we must be very cautious while selecting users.

Again, driving Turkey toward a political choke point with any available excuse written in the book. As a Circassian descendant I can testify that I’ve never witnessed an assimilation toward my people as a government policy. Saying that, if there were some cases of grievances by individual...

it’s very shagadelic, baby! :giggle: