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So essentially Indonesian Hisar.

Then what, every Indonesian defence expert claimed it was Hisar, even MoD says it's Hisar.

Then F-35 is not 5th gen?

In some areas, I am 99% sure we are better, but we can't trust them, we have seen Russians so it is good to be skeptical

Huh what, it will have sensor fusion...

i think he meant 2nd F119 class

Yes, the link is from an official gov. site, I suppose

Are those ships Turkish made/designed?

İbrahim Sünnetçi, sadly his Twitter got taken down

Tayfun is already AShBM tho

Possibly this is the case, tho I thought Siper Block 2 would be Siper Block 1 with naval usage, so that's why I classified Siper Block 1 with similar capabilities with PAC-3 MSE/Aster-30, but yours also make sense, probably more realistic than mine

Sorry for too many "reply" and thread like posts but I think doing this with editing would make the additions get lost. As I said with my previous post, Siper should be more advanced than we know, to have Exo-atmospheric, AND in 2026. What I wonder, does the current, or 150km Block 1 variant...

Another thing that comes to my mind is, Siper is way ahead in development than we know, because 2026 target would be simply unachievable, and thus explain why Indonesia bought it event thought they could have gone with safer options like Aster-30 or K-SAM

Yes, ICBMs, Siper ABM will be an Exo-atmospheric one, not like PAC-3 or S-400 or Aster-30, it will be much more capable (especially against MRBMs and ICBMs

Bora was Project-B Soo Tayfun is improved Bora And Project-C should be the MRBM

Holly... I hope it is HGV I think the naming comes from: "Hazır ol cenk-ü cidale istersen sulh-u Salah"

internal weapon bays

Too small to be rival, doesn't even have IWBs

My source is not up to date as MADDOG's but rollout will definitely be in 18/03/23

Great news, it is sad that we can't see them, eventually we will, but yeah you get it...