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I am not a fan of Erdoğan this is for sure but I should say this sort of appeasement rethoric is quite pragmatic and necessary if we want to pursue our interests without being labeled as the next ''Iran'' and without giving much room for France and Greece -normalizing our relations with...

-ok my main concern is that, the agreement is not directly address the status of the parts (not talking about the legal status) of Nagorno Karabakh proper that Armenian forces continued to hold (blue zone on the map), including the so caled regional capital, Xankəndi. -Some sorces claim...

I deicided to be a optimistic but a fun comparisan would be just imagine Russia signing a peace treaty with Germany when Zhukov was in front of the gates of Berlin after passing seelow heights :devilish:

I have a very bad feeling about this. so the biggest city and the ''capital'' of the artifical entity is now under Russian umbrella?

Russians can not be trusted as we all know very well, we have the case of ildip but unavoidably we we have to work/deal with them. Anyway the capture of Hankendi will be vital. it simply means the end of this artifical Armanian entity on Turkish land.

hahahaha lets call it a double trick ;) and considering all the equipment they left behind to make their tactical retreat look more convincing it should a be triple trick :devilish: like inception I am sure now even an ordinary Armanian soldier can not distinguish what is real and what is not!

in fact MTCR does not impose any binding obligation so things depends on the context or lets say things depands on, are you percived as a good guy or a bad guy by the ''international community'' if but only if the news is ture I belive we can get away with ''co-design/-develop'' scnerio...

you are absolutely right dude, your words are the shared fellings for all of us. I couldn’t have put it any better !!!

thanks if so good news! I am happy and will sleep well tonight😈

I bet we will see an AIR ATMACA even before SUB ATMACA not only on f 16 or F 4 but ''potentialy'' on ATR 72ASW since ''it is also able to be reconfigured with additional specific systems and missile armaments to carry out anti-ship missions. ''

Ok may be it is my fault since i was not able to make my point clear for some friends so let me rephrase it . logic dictates that we should not expect SOM j to be our sole air launched anti ship missile:devilish:

Concerning ATMACA we know that there will be land based varient and submarine launched varient even a land to land varient of ATMACA for Land forces . However, I am just a bit curios why we havent heard anything about an Air Launced ATMACA in an anti ship role yet. (eventhough there are rumors...

Thank you! it seems guys did a great job here!!!

I am realy glad to see such a new form I cordialy thank for your efforts