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No. That's an Arma with a Chinese turret on top with an other name written on top. Otokar will give every single expertise to build them in house if they finally win it, they don't have any. Otokar is happy to do business and doesn't care what do they call Arma in countries they sell, doesn't...

It has never been about skill but political will.

This the old, original mockup.

They are doing those negotiations for the last 5 years almost. Arma was the clear winner of the tests over 2 years ago.

Turkiye will have the second-largest international presence at Spain's major defence and aviation fair FEINDEF, showcasing its strength with key firms. TUSAŞ, Roketsan, Havelsan, MKE, FNSS, Nurol Makina, Canik, SDT, Savronik, CES, and Sarsılmaz will prominently represent Turkiye. Turkiye is set...

Do we have a link to this, I don't think this looks like what would CNN make.

Leaked photos from before Feindef-25. Fair will start on the tomorrow on the 12th. https://theaviationist.com/2025/05/11/first-look-hurjet-spanish-markings/

PT-3 and PT-4 deployed to Anadolu again For Denizkurdu-II-25. We can see PT-3 armed with 2 inert MAM-Ls. There will be live firing against land targets from UAVs on the 14th, this is presumably a test for that. Using live MAMs on drones aboard Anadolu will be a first, looking forward to that.

Rafale is not superior to J-10C. Turkey opting for Chinese or Chinese tech aircraft is unlikely as we have our own commitments and issues that require a NATO hand at play. And CAATSA still exists.

It's not a new squadron per se. It was formed last year from aircraft and crews being sent over to Dalaman, some of them were 401 squadron aircraft, but probably not all. https://www.aa.com.tr/tr/gundem/gok-vatanin-demir-kartallari-yeni-yila-nobette-giriyor/3439113 Brings the new total to 10...

Soldiers like real food, very simple. Will never beat fresh produce with MREs filled with additives.

Also one has to wonder Indian strikes this evening was about stopping the retaliation or trying to incur as much as damage as possible before it starts. Should be interesting.

Retired army generals are idiots everywhere, hardly a topic for this thread. Let's not derail the thread please.

That still is from an Israeli strike against a Syrian Pantsir from 2019 or 20. Armenia didn't operate Pantsir.

Doubt that, and still, political cost for that will still be very low. Turkish support for Pakistan endured 70 years and like 10 different governments, it won't go anywhere in the future. And Indian Turkish relations will stay minimal for years to come. So no political cost.

Information warfare, drawing lines on the sand of us vs. enemy, noone likes Erdoğan, political cost of vilifying Turkey for an Indian is zero, compared to China, etc etc.

Is this the first major Russian purchase since 2017? Bad call.

I don't think this was ever disputed. If it was, it was a mistake by that person. It's an air force supplied and trained by US for decades and have a clear enemy to train against for the last 60 years. Add very competent aircraft like JF-17, which is a tailor built cheaper F-16 for Pakistan and...

@Nilgiri I do want to learn your thinking on this. Indian rhetoric originally was "we only struck terrorist targets and not military ones and ask Pakistanis to not retaliate." That seems to have gone out of window after the apparent Pakistani air response to missile dumpers and aircraft loss and...