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I mean Italian made fremm. At least our bergamini have no problem acquiring Sylver and Aster.

They have no problem putting sylver+aster in bergamini fremm.

It fail?

Gov is working hard to replace Sinofac (?)

Any hurdle for EX, @Madokafc ?

Why? It's not like it gonna ruin our discussion in any way.

Are you talking about second hand sub right? Coup de grace for Daewoo ?

Well I could let it slide if it came with something "berbobot" too.

What? Second hand? They're not even born yet...

https://www.intelligenceonline.com/international-dealmaking/2021/06/04/kamerman-eyes-pretoria-s-submarines-to-help-tkms-land-indonesian-order,109670990-art This one looks better. Not as old as Brazilian one. "We don't need advance sub that can patrol silently in enemy territory for months" -...

Just stick with proven design (Fremm, IH, 30FFM.

It's not an argument, use of bad word, just pure insult.

We're all know how abysmal KCR performance is, so please NO...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CRS7fd0p6bX/?utm_medium=copy_link WT* is larger KCR ?

Those Pretorian Subs from TKMS offer.

from @Madokafc leak

Length and displacement aren't much different than conventional Bergamini class but still retaining its 127 mm cannon! How they accomplished so much without sacrificing anything?