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[Iskander]

Another gesture from Erdoğan in the skies over Azerbaijan

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2118055400524452247

As the aircraft carrying the President of the Republic of Türkiye, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan—who was returning from a trip to the Republic of Korea—entered Azerbaijani airspace, the pilot contacted air traffic control.

He relayed a message from Erdoğan to President Ilham Aliyev and the Azerbaijani people, expressing his most sincere wishes. The message stated: "Returning from my trip, it is with great pleasure that I convey to the fraternal Azerbaijani people my most sincere wishes for peace, well-being, and prosperity, and to you, Your Excellency, my wishes for good health and happiness."
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It seems the Turkish presidential plane has been circling over Baku for three days now, with Erdoğan repeatedly sending the same message to Aliyev: "Forgive me, brother!"

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Another gesture from Erdoğan in the skies over Azerbaijan

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2118055400524452247

As the aircraft carrying the President of the Republic of Türkiye, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan—who was returning from a trip to the Republic of Korea—entered Azerbaijani airspace, the pilot contacted air traffic control.

He relayed a message from Erdoğan to President Ilham Aliyev and the Azerbaijani people, expressing his most sincere wishes. The message stated: "Returning from my trip, it is with great pleasure that I convey to the fraternal Azerbaijani people my most sincere wishes for peace, well-being, and prosperity, and to you, Your Excellency, my wishes for good health and happiness."
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It seems the Turkish presidential plane has been circling over Baku for three days now, with Erdoğan repeatedly sending the same message to Aliyev: "Forgive me, brother!"

Where did you get the "your excellency" part from?

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

+ yunanlar Türkleri katletti
- keşke galip gelselerdi
+ kür*
- kız aldık kız verdik ırkçılık yapmayın
+ ermeni
- milleti sadıkamız sınırları açın
+ herkesi vatana almayın
- müslüman bir senegalli bize sizden daha yakın biznillah

islamcılık nedir ne değildir.

 

[Iskander]

People stop caring for their home country after a generation, unless they have some kind of a mystical&emotional reason to love it. Loving your grandparents' birthplace doesn't make any sense from a secular, materalist, rationalist perspective.

Islam creates a barrier between Muslims and the others. It prevents assimilation. That's why German Turks still speak Turkish today while American Turks lose it in a generation. They just blend in local people and disappear. Nothing Turkish remains.

Someone, skillfully playing upon religious sentiments, is persistently striving to damage relations—not only between the states of Azerbaijan and Turkey but also between our fraternal peoples as a whole. And, unfortunately, they are succeeding to some extent.
For those who place religious identity above national identity, this is a true cause for rejoicing...

Back in the 1930s, both of my grandfathers were accused by the Russians of "Pan-Turkism" and exiled to Siberia—along with tens of thousands of our compatriots. Yet, alas, it seems that for many of our Turkish brothers, "Turkicness" means far less than something else: did these unfortunate people perform *namaz* (ritual prayer)?
But do not be deceived—the questions do not end there; on the contrary, they are only just beginning. Inevitably, other "crucial" clarifications will follow: how many times a day did they pray? How did they perform their ablutions? How did they position their hands during prayer? How precisely were they oriented toward the *qibla*? Were the names of Imam Ali or Hussein mentioned in their prayers?…
Thousands upon thousands of such questions!
Why is this happening?
Why seek out differences between us? Is it not enough that we are Turks? And what of the hundreds of thousands of our Turkic brothers—the Yakuts, Khakass, Bashkirs, Chuvash, and many others—who have never been Muslims, but instead practice Orthodox Christianity? Are they no longer our brothers?
It is futile to explain to those fixated solely on religion that the accursed USSR was, in essence, a godless state. How can one convey to them that the Russian punitive apparatus could—easily and without any trial—arrest a person simply for performing *namaz* (prayer) and send them into exile in Siberia? How can one explain that the Russians took our national poets and writers to Nargin Island—the "island of death"—and executed them there?! They have no idea that our *mullahs* who failed to escape to Iran were completely wiped out. How can one explain that, for several generations, we were entirely cut off from our religion? How can one make such people understand that Azerbaijan—along with Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Uzbekistan, and many other Turkic and Muslim lands—was a colony of Russia for centuries? They are completely unaware that millions of Turkic people perished across all these lands.

But is it even worth explaining anything to such people? Where is their homeland? If they consider themselves Muslims first and foremost, rather than Turkic, perhaps they do not even perceive Turkey as their homeland?

Yes, we have lost a great deal—including our entire intelligentsia, our prominent poets and writers, who were the embodiment of our national idea... And yet, two centuries later, we have attained freedom, having preserved both our homeland and our national identity.
For us, this is what matters most!

 

[Şok Tedavisi]

People stop caring for their home country after a generation, unless they have some kind of a mystical&emotional reason to love it. Loving your grandparents' birthplace doesn't make any sense from a secular, materalist, rationalist perspective.

Islam creates a barrier between Muslims and the others. It prevents assimilation. That's why German Turks still speak Turkish today while American Turks lose it in a generation. They just blend in local people and disappear. Nothing Turkish remains.

I have seen this so many times.


Yes, we relied almost only on religion during our national struggle. I can give you so many examples from Atatürk's speeches, memoirs of our veterans, photos from the battlefields, fetvas and preaches from our Müftüs.

Check Mustafa Kemal's first speech in the National Assembly. Search "islam" and you will find how much Atatürk relied on religion to justify and gather support:

ATATÜRK

"Bu sınır sadece askeri gerekçelerle çizilmiş bir sınır değildir, milli sınırdır. Fakat bu sınır içinde islâm ögesine sahip yalnız bir milletin olduğu düşünülmesin. Bu sınır içinde Türk vardır, Çerkez vardır ve diğer islâm öğeleri vardır. işte bu sınır karışık bir halde yaşayan, bütün amacını tam anlamı ile birleştirmiş olan kardeş unsurların milli sınırıdır. (Hepsi islâmdır, kardeştir sesleri) ... Fazla olarak da bu vatan hududu içinde yaşayan islâm unsurlarının her birinin kendine özgü olan yörelerine, geleneklerine, ırkına özel olan ayrıcalıkları bütün samimiyeti ile ve karşılıklı olarak kabul etmiş ve onaylanmıştı."

"Meclisimizde oluşan ve beliren milli kudretimiz, Hilâfet makamı ve saltanatı yabancı baskısından kurtaracak ve Osmanlı devletini dağılma ve tutsaklıktan kurtarma önlemleri alacaktır. Tam bağımsızlığa sahip, hilâfet makamına vicdani bağlılığı ile övünen, islâm dünyası içinde yaşama anlayışını kendinde gören bir milletin tutsak olamayacağı inancıyla, davranışlarımızı adım adım izleyen bütün medeni dünya ve insanlık sizlere yardımcı olacaktır. (Sıcak alkışlar)"


Osama Bin Laden was a really rich Gulf Arab yet he established a religious organization&died for it.


That's not true. Secular Iranians were celebrating while US&Israel was bombing Iran, killing 160 school girls with a single bomb. I remember dancing Persian onlyfans prostitutes on twitter that day.

Shia Pakistanis would possibly side with Iran if they engage in a war. That's the main reason for them to keep their involvement limited in Yemen.


Cemaat-i Islami, current main opposition in Bangladesh and former coalition partner defended the unity of Pakistan and rejected independence.


Since every argument of yours is falsified, people can see who is more based on reality.

Last but not least:

Hakkıdır Hakk'a tapan milletimin istiklal!

Yeah when Islam takes power only assimilation is the arabic one, their land his holy, their culture is holy, their paganic rituals became yours, their outfits are holy, even their language is holy according to muslims, child marriage, corruption, Inbreeding this is what Islam brings.

Saying stuff like "Islam is a barrier between assimilation" brother you get assimilated by the east and became backwards, I always tell this muslims they don't think much

Also german Turks are notorious for not being adapting german rules that they become the tool of left and islamists, because of this their crime rates are higher than average german.

So what happens islam takes over just look at britain they arrest you for having slight negativity towards islam because their goverment let muslims into every council and parliament there is, you can't even use british flag there anymore islam is just a tool to Invade other cultures, just like how left promotes.

 

[uçuyorum]

Where did you get the "your excellency" part from?

Its standard international diplomacy language. Presidents are referred to as their excellency in general.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Its standard international diplomacy language. Presidents are referred to as their excellency in general.

Not talking about the language! You think I don't know the meaning of the word?

 

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