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Dude did you atleast read my thread post(i think its definitely a no from our past conversations)? Hint: Read the tweet that says bench tests have been conducted in 2021 that might help you.

Humiliating yourself is becoming an everyday pattern now on this forum, I think you should atleast take a break from the threads I have posted here (your friends on this forum might suggest the same)? The production on the 2nd stage starts in 2024 after the Su-57's modernization process in new avionics and new weapons as well.

This is what the twitter user said:

Willy Dequid on Twitter: "#Russia Saturn-Lyulka is working on a variable cycle (three circuits) military engine. According to Evgeny Marchukov, OKB Lyulka, two versions of this scheme are being developed. The first bench tests of the demonstrator should have started sometime in 2021.

You know when he mentioned Evgeny Marchukov mentioning that the engine is under development that is totally believable. Then he said "the engine should have started sometimes in 2021" , that one must be his own opinion. Because that the word "should have " has no certainty in it, something that an engineer of OKB Lyulka would never say.

So yeah there's every reason to question if this "bench test" actually happens at all. More suspiciously, the year he mentioned is the same year that TASS reported that the work has just started.

Just for reference, GE won one of two AETP contracts in 2016. Detailed design are completed in 2019, first test of the XA100 is in December of 2020.

And that is with GE level of know how, sophistication, engineer manpower and funds.


So how is Russia able to jump from starting works, to bench test in the same year ?
 
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This is what the twitter user said:

Willy Dequid on Twitter: "#Russia Saturn-Lyulka is working on a variable cycle (three circuits) military engine. According to Evgeny Marchukov, OKB Lyulka, two versions of this scheme are being developed. The first bench tests of the demonstrator should have started sometime in 2021.

You know when he mentioned Evgeny Marchukov mentioning that the engine is under development that is totally believable. Then he said "the engine should have started sometimes in 2021" , that one must be his own opinion. Because that the word "should have " has no certainty in it, something that an engineers of OKB Lyulka would never say.

So yeah there's every reason to question if this "bench test" actually happens at all. More suspiciously, the year he mentioned is the same year that TASS reported that the work has just started.

Just for reference, GE won one of two AETP contracts in 2016. Detailed design are completed in 2019, first test of the XA100 is in December of 2020.

And that is with GE level of know how, sophistication, engineer manpower and funds.


So how is Russia able to jump from starting works, to bench test in the same year ?
Does google translate from English to Indonesian or Indonesian to English work well, or no? Evgeny just gave you the timeframe regarding the bench tests from the engine whatever happens later, so its past the paper stage which you claimed on your 1st post and dont want to admit your wrong. Since I know you really don't give a shit about any Russian projects and just go bash whatever you can, you could have just used google or translate english to russian for better search results with Yandex.

https://webcache.googleusercontent....s/2021/5/18/228542/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

On May 18, 2021, AEX.RU - A. Lulka Design Bureau - a subsidiary of"ODK-UMPO"is working on the formation of a scientific and technical backbone to create a sixth-generation engine for combat aviation. "This is a three-contour scheme, which the whole world is doing," Evgeny Marchukov, general designer of the Design Bureau, said at the ICAM-2020 conference. This is reported by the press service of the MAKSAir Show.

According to him, two options for implementing this scheme are being developed. The first stand tests of the demonstrator are due to take place in 2021. Using a three-contour scheme will allow to modernize the al-41F-1engine, improving its characteristics while maintaining dimensions.

In addition, as part of the creation of the NTH OCB, I.A. Lulki is engaged in such areas as a combustion chamber with wave detonation, a pulsating resonative detonation engine with a two-stage burning of kerosene-air mixture.


Next, they will have to decide when the flight tests will be conducted or when they will put on the Su-57 or another 6th gen program. The F-35 promised many things before like some random user at f-16.net in 2008 thought the F-35 would get DIRCM so I will pass my opinion only for the results than what is planned prior.
 

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Does google translate from English to Indonesian or Indonesian to English work well, or no? Evgeny just gave you the timeframe regarding the bench tests from the engine whatever happens later, so its past the paper stage which you claimed on your 1st post and dont want to admit your wrong. Since I know you really don't give a shit about any Russian projects and just go bash whatever you can, you could have just used google or translate english to russian for better search results with Yandex.

https://webcache.googleusercontent....s/2021/5/18/228542/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

On May 18, 2021, AEX.RU - A. Lulka Design Bureau - a subsidiary of"ODK-UMPO"is working on the formation of a scientific and technical backbone to create a sixth-generation engine for combat aviation. "This is a three-contour scheme, which the whole world is doing," Evgeny Marchukov, general designer of the Design Bureau, said at the ICAM-2020 conference. This is reported by the press service of the MAKSAir Show.

According to him, two options for implementing this scheme are being developed. The first stand tests of the demonstrator are due to take place in 2021. Using a three-contour scheme will allow to modernize the al-41F-1engine, improving its characteristics while maintaining dimensions.

In addition, as part of the creation of the NTH OCB, I.A. Lulki is engaged in such areas as a combustion chamber with wave detonation, a pulsating resonative detonation engine with a two-stage burning of kerosene-air mixture.


Next, they will have to decide when the flight tests will be conducted or when they will put on the Su-57 or another 6th gen program. The F-35 promised many things before like some random user at f-16.net in 2008 thought the F-35 would get DIRCM so I will pass my opinion only for the results than what is planned prior.

For one, your link doesn't work
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another problem, now the word has changed from "should have started in 2021" to "due to take place in 2021" (ok understandable), we should've have some sort of announcement of the conclusion of the test by now. You know when the XA100 concluded its first test, the media reported this and progress are steadily reported, both by outsiders and company media.


If this test indeed has entered the bench testing phase, is there any report on what comes out of it ? I mean this is a three stream adaptive engine, this is a big deal. Is there anything that suggest the conclusion of the test ?

I mean I'm not bashing at all lol, we know that Russia has done it with the original AL-41. So there should be some sort of affirmation of the test.
 

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For one, your link doesn't work
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another problem, now the word has changed from "should have started in 2021" to "due to take place in 2021" (ok understandable), we should've have some sort of announcement of the conclusion of the test by now. You know when the XA100 concluded its first test, the media reported this and progress are steadily reported, both by outsiders and company media.
You can copy and paste the phrases i posted and find similar articles if you like. I am just calling you out for stating paper stage when the announcement for the tests. They had multiple radar companies stating they have tested photonic radar prototypes for aviation complexes but don't report either what the results, some projects they do some they don't (and them removing the article from your screenshot like they did with their photonic radar articles from their companies they might be secretive to some shit even after publically posting it before). He just announced the timeframe for the bench tests and we would have to wait to know which aircrafts they will test it on. Vega, RTI and KRET major radar and EW companies had articles on photonic radars with some performance characteristics on the radars but had their websites taken down or some of their articles all got purged while recently I got a late Zhuk article another radar company from promweekly.ru in 2022 about the signifance of acquiring photonic radars on aircrafts. So there might be some significance of what they are willing to talk about or not.

If this test indeed has entered the bench testing phase, is there any report on what comes out of it ? I mean this is a three stream adaptive engine, this is a big deal. Is there anything that suggest the conclusion of the test ?

I mean I'm not bashing at all lol, we know that Russia has done it with the original AL-41. So there should be some sort of affirmation of the test.
I dont even know if they will use either a 3 stream cycle engine or a pulse detonation engine(said 1st stage completed) for their 6th gen projects as much as I dont know if they are pushing for newer MMICs in their avionics Su-57 upgrade or for photonic integrated circuits since they have a production facility ready to go in 2024 the same time frame when they finish their modernization and start production on the 2nd variant of the Su-57

To avoid future arguments since i already know we will bump heads more than once between us on 5th gens, lets settle something here 1st or make our conversations a little more fun and enticing.

1. 3 stream cycle engines seems to be the next main thing, however Russia and the U.S. could be like the tortoise or hare such as it might look like the U.S. is ahead for announcing the results but Russia doesn't they might run into problems depending how long their solutions will take to acquire compared to which phase Russia is in for not announcing shit compared to what they did with Pulse detonation engine stages and based on performance specs it seems that pulse detonation engines are superior because of the upgrades they would offer over current engines. Someone into 2008 stated the F-35 would be the 1st 5th gen to use DIRCM and that did not age well so I will just wait who crosses the finish line by doing 3 stream cycle engine flights or we get surprised with PDE flight tests

2. For radars I admit that the F-35 an/apg-85 radar would be far superior to the 2nd variant Su-57 if the Su-57 just sticks to receiving new MMICs since their radar and EW company admitted they are 10-15 years behind MMIC technology even though your non-bias boy abhirup pushed it to 20 years lol. Unless I have information that shows Russia already caught up in MMIC technology to compare shit which is highly unlikely that I would stick to the Su-57 using L-band, passive detection, infrared detection argument. However, if the Su-57 gets photonic radars than any aircrafts with GaN MMICs won't outperform photonic radars in terms of radar performance because of frequencies and the noise levels being 100 times lower than conventional airborne MMIC radars. Some articles state GaN MMICs is great for 5G cellular networks while recommending PICs for 6G networks because frequency along with data exchange.

3. In terms of infrared sensing technology. https://en.topwar.ru/181736-rosteh-...-pribory-razvedki-dlja-specpodrazdelenij.html, https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/product/target-reconnaissance-infrared-geolocating-range-finder although I am comparing it to BAE their laser range finder and infrared detection capabilities have become pretty great despite relying on the French. They are making breakthroughs in pure Germanium to increase infrared sensing capabilities for production. Schwabe made a contract with Sukhoi for the Su-75 infrared systems and more than likely the Su-57 might receive these systems for their modernization program. Unless you have any western infrared detection systems for comparison, please let me know later?

4. Russians stated their stealth was 0.5m2 while comparing the F-22 to 0.3m2 for average RCS by just eyeballing and not taking RAM into account and stating they can improve the Su-57 RCS to be lowered working on engine, while the U.S. takes frontal RCS for smallest measurement from the F-22 and not average RCS for every side that can be 100 to 1000 times bigger in size and when the 1st articles came out saying frontal other articles later on stated it was RCS as in average RCS and thus a lot of victims to propaganda were born including your boy Abhirup. There were mixed reports of the F-35 RCS as well before.

Edit: My definition of a 6th gen might be different from yours, and I might piss some people off If I say shit like the TAI-TFX uses GaN just like NGAD, Su-57 and TFX use stealth drone swarms like NGAD or other shit like that. My definition is mach 4 or higher, cruising higher altitudes which matter greatly in air to air battles, and being AI controlled. If someone states a 6th gen as geing being stealthier than a 5th gen than I will just roll my eyes and just call it a marketing ploy or 5th gen plus. There has to be something significant when jumping gens in my opinion. And my definition of a 7th gen would be an aircraft using a small nuclear engine like the one used on Burevestnik to go travel in space with quantum computers and radar along with firing lasers since the Russians stated that placing lasers on a nuclear space tug isn't a bad idea and the peresvet uses a nuclear fuel pump laser, they have shown in 2019 articles nuclear reactors being transported on Kamaz trucks to power equipment instead of diesel.
 
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Might as well start one since there surprisingly isn't a Russian space program thread.

Nuclear space tug details.

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https://sputniknews.lat/20230205/ru...un-asombroso-nivel-de-detalle-1135403765.html

Russia launches the fourth Elektro-L weather satellite with an amazing level of detail, 02.05.2023.

This is the launch of the Proton-M rocket with the fourth Elektro-L satellite on board. This series of geostationary meteorological satellites will provide a complete coverage of the Earth's surface with an amazing level of detail, a resolution of 1 km per pixel and a new image every 30 minutes.

"It will be the first Russian space launch in 2023," announced from the Russian space corporation Roscosmos.

Elektro-L 4 will follow changes in atmospheric conditions to inform airlines about their flight routes, allow meteorologists to study cloud movements at different altitudes and provide beautiful images of the Earth's surface.

The first Elektro-L was launched on January 2, 2011.


https://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/85578/

Progress plans to carry out about 20 launches of Soyuz rockets in 2023

The number of launches of Soyuz rockets in 2023 will be about two dozen, Dmitry Baranov, general director of the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RKC), told reporters on Monday, TASS reports.
"Plans for this year, they are about the same - about twenty launches," said Baranov, according to whom there were 19 such launches in 2022. The
general director of the RCC added that the center exceeded the plan by several percent in terms of revenue. “Our economic condition is stable. There is a certain increase in wages, it is not as big as we would like, somewhere in the region of 56 [thousand rubles], maybe a little more,” said Baranov.
https://russian.rt.com/science/news/1101370-roskosmos-orbitalnaya-stanciya-2027

Roskosmos has planned the deployment of the Russian orbital station for 2027, 01.24.2023

Roskosmos CEO Yuri Borisov said that the deployment of the Russian orbital station is scheduled for 2027.

He said this at the plenary meeting of the Royal Readings in Moscow.

“We will create a sovereign infrastructure for space manned flights to low Earth orbit. Its key element will be the Russian Orbital Station, the deployment of which we have planned for 2027, ”TASS quotes him.

Earlier, RSC Energia, which is part of Roscosmos, presented a model of the Russian orbital station at the Army-2022 forum.
 

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I think the market for space launch will be increasingly American with some Chinese, European and Japanese launch service. Russian space program would have to be increasingly government supported or targeting niche market like Iran after Europeans no longer using Rocosomos service to launch their satellite.
 

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I think the market for space launch will be increasingly American with some Chinese, European and Japanese launch service. Russian space program would have to be increasingly government supported or targeting niche market like Iran after Europeans no longer using Rocosomos service to launch their satellite.
who knows what Europeans will decide after the war if they will start asking the Russians again for gas and grain. Its not the 1st time countries have flip flopped between decisions like giving weapons to Ukraine. Just made this thread out of boredom because it seems I got banned for following the rules on the ukraine war thread and I am little worried when you stated me and a bunch of mods filed a complaint against you like you made a statement you used mob mentality on the admins because they have not gotten back to me when I did make no more than 3 posts after he stated no more than 3 posts between other posts so I don't know anymore.
 

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more info to add on Su-57. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/17027573

February 11, 13:00

Sukhoi Design Bureau has developed the first part based on bionic design
The aluminum power bracket is intended for the Su-57 fighter

MOSCOW, 11 February. /TASS/. The Sukhoi Design Bureau has developed the first part based on a bionic design - an aluminum power bracket for the Su-57 fighter. This was reported in the Telegram channel of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC).

"The first part based on bionic design was developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau - an aluminum power bracket for the Su-57 fighter. This is a completely domestic development. The designers designed the part on a supercomputer. Specialists of the All-Russian Research Institute of Aviation Materials (VNIAM) from the domestic metal powder created on its basis aluminum alloy compositions printed a part on a 3D printer," the report says.

The new bracket weighs a quarter less than similar parts made using traditional technologies and was made overnight, while traditional machining of an aluminum billet would take at least a week, the company said.

As explained in the UAC, generative design is a way of designing various objects, in which solutions other than traditional solutions are used to reduce weight and increase strength. Externally, objects produced in this way differ from ordinary man-made products. They have pronounced features inherent, for example, in plants, imitate the structure of limbs or bones. That is why this design method is often called bionic design. The term "generative design" is used due to the fact that the geometry of such structures is automatically calculated, as if generated in special software.

The bionic approach to design allows for some technological processes to spend 30 or even 50% less material. This has a positive effect on the price of such products.

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The Russian Emergencies Ministry showed the use of the Be-200 amphibious aircraft to extinguish a fire in the port of Iskenderun in Turkey. The Russian aircraft Be-200 has been in operation since 2003; the aircraft can take off and land both from the water and from the ground. Be-200ES has a pressurized fuselage, 8 water tanks are located under the floor of the cargo compartment. The fuselage of the aircraft is divided by watertight bulkheads into several compartments. The intake of water into the water tanks during gliding takes only 12-14 seconds, with the length of the water area for water intake of 3.2 km, the aircraft is able to take on board up to twelve tons of water. Currently, there are four modifications of the Be-200 amphibious aircraft. The crew of the aircraft is 2 people, the flight range is up to 3600 kilometers.

 

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In Russia, the development of ekranoplans has begun again. Petrozavodsk began testing the experimental ekranoplan "Orion-25", built at the local shipbuilding enterprise "Avangard". The exoplanet is unique because it can reach high speed like an airplane, and at the same time it is adapted for autonomous navigation, like a ship. The Orion-25 eco plan can be used for border protection, military and scientific purposes, and for disaster relief. It should be noted that "Orion-25" is not the first ekranoplan, the tests of which began in Petrozavodsk. In 2012, Orion-20 was developed, but after a serious accident, its development was suspended. The Orion-25 ekranoplan is capable of flying at low altitude from the surface of the earth, water, snow or ice. It develops a speed of up to 500 km / h, its flight range is up to 3600 km, and its duration is up to 11 hours. The fuel consumption of an ekranoplan is small due to the ship's screen effect.

 

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As part of a sudden check of the combat readiness of the Pacific Fleet, MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors worked out the interception of an intruder aircraft of a mock enemy. The role of the violator of the airspace was performed by the Il-38 anti-submarine aircraft of naval aviation. Work on the MiG-31BM began in 1997. The modification of the MiG-31B, which was put into service in 1990, was taken as the basis. The most important element of the modification was the updated Zaslon-M radar. For more than 40 years of its history, the MiG-31 aircraft has gone through eight modifications and upgrades and today continues to be in service with the country. Experts believe that the resource of the titanium hull of aircraft is practically inexhaustible. While the development of the next generation of the fighter-interceptor is underway, the MiG-31 remains in service.

 

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The Russian Airborne Forces have received off-season sets of new generation field uniforms, abbreviated as KPO 3.0 of the 2022 model. The new generation of the field uniform is made of materials with improved properties and has improved ergonomics. The uniform has a camouflage American MultiCam color scheme. The complete set of the VKPO 3.0 uniform includes: fleece thermal underwear, a fleece jacket, demi-season and insulated suits consisting of a jacket and trousers, a moisture / windproof suit, a combat shirt, a summer cap, a demi-season hat and a winter scarf. The servicemen also received tactical shoes sneakers. The approximate price of a complete set of military uniforms is about 100,000 rubles, or $1,250.

 

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The Russian military-industrial complex continues to increase the production of military products. The Russian Defense Minister checked the work of the workshop for the production of modern anti-aircraft guided missiles for air defense systems. The plant produces anti-aircraft missiles for the S-300 Favorit air defense system, the S-400 Triumph air defense system and the S-350 Vityaz air defense system. The management of the plant reported that it had significantly increased production within the framework of the state defense order and would continue to increase the production of missiles. The minister noted that it is necessary to further reduce the time for commissioning the new production facilities of the concern by synchronizing the installation of equipment and commissioning.

 

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A new batch of Su-35S fighter aircraft has been handed over to the Russian Ministry of Defense by the Yuri Gagarin Aviation Plant. The planes have already arrived at the base airfield. Before that, they were accepted by technical services and passed factory tests, having been tested in the air in various modes. The Su-35 is a 4++ generation multirole supermaneuverable fighter designed to destroy air, ground and surface targets and infrastructure facilities. The Su-35S is capable of delivering eight 500 kg KAB-500Kr and KAB 500OD television-guided bombs to the front line. On the AL-41F1S engine of the Su-35S aircraft, for the first time, a plasma ignition system was used with the possibility of oxygen-free launch at high altitudes.

 

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more info:


Short-range missiles developed for the Su-57, by Dmitry Zubarev for VZGLYAD. 08.04.2023.

Vympel: New short-range missiles have been created for the Su-57, ahead of Western developments.

For the Russian Su-57 fighters, fifth-generation short-range missiles RVV-MD2 were created, which are five to ten years ahead of similar developments in the United States, representatives of the development company GosMKB Vympel reported in Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine.

As noted in the article, in Russia, the development of fifth-generation air-to-air missiles, which have reached the industrial stage of production, are ahead of American developments by five to ten years, and the stage of putting them into service has already started, RIA Novosti reports .

According to the developers, the RVV-MD2 can be placed in the inner fuselage compartments of the Su-57.

As Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, clarified, the RVV-MD2 for the first time in short-range missiles uses an inertial control system, which assumes that the ammunition determines its own coordinates in space without external reference points and signals, calculating its position in space based on the previous position.

In addition, Murakhovsky noted, the RVV-MD2 is equipped with a radio correction line, a multi-element dual-band infrared homing head with increased noise immunity and can hit targets at all angles, that is, the RVV-MD2 is launched forward, turns in the air and hits an enemy aircraft located behind the Su- 57.

Earlier, a pilot of the Russian Aerospace Forces, participating in a special operation, told the VZGLYAD newspaper that new long-range air-to-air missiles have recently entered service with Russian fighters, they perform their combat missions according to certain tactics.


Several LTS patents, the first two relate to the aircraft's structure

https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUPAT&DocNumber=2798617&TypeFile=html

https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUPAT&DocNumber=2798303&TypeFile=html

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I am assuming this is the ramjet version of the K-77M. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/18614165

MOSCOW, August 30. /TASS/. The fifth-generation fighter Su-57 hits targets at a distance of 120 km during the NWO, and aircraft missiles are expected to arrive in the near future, which will be able to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 km, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.

"In the NWO, the Su-57 solves problems with high quality, effectively hits targets, its distinctive feature is low visibility. Today, the fighter operates at a distance of 120 km, in the near future they are waiting for the arrival of aircraft missiles for high-speed air targets at a distance of up to 300 km," the agency's interlocutor said.

The Su-57 (according to NATO codification - Felon) is a fifth-generation Russian multifunctional fighter. The aircraft is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. The machine has a supersonic cruising flight speed, intra-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating (stealth technology), as well as the latest set of onboard equipment. The intellectualization of the Su-57 systems allows him to take on some of the functions of the pilot, including piloting and training the use of weapons.
 

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