After UAE Deal, Israel Asks U.S. for F-22 Stealth Jets to Preserve Military Edge

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The American F-22 Raptor is the most advanced fighter plane in the world, and defense officials who claim to have been left out of the loop on the sale of the F-35s to the UAE are now trying to press their case for it.

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An F-22 Raptor at a U.S. airbase in Ohio, August 2020. Credit: US AIR FORCE/REUTERS

Israeli defense officials have confirmed that Jerusalem has asked senior American officials to consider removing obstacles hindering the sale of F-22 fighter jets to the Israeli Air Force to preserve its air superiority following the agreement of the United States to sell the F-35s to the UAE.


Senior Israeli defense officials say the purported concealment of the sale of F-35 jets to the UAE complicated a possible sale to Israel of the world’s most advanced fighter plane, the F-22 Raptor, as well as other advanced equipment.

An F-22 Raptor aircraft at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, August 23, 2020.

F-22 Raptor​

Manufactured by: Lockheed Martin

Unit cost: $150 million

Speed: Mach 2 (2,400 km/h)

In service: U.S.

Credit: US AIR FORCE/ REUTERS
The defense officials refused to comment on the issue officially.

On Friday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel’s assent to the sale of F-35s to the UAE was not part of the peace agreement signed between it and Israel in Washington last month, and that it was only provided in the course of Defense Minister Benny Gantz’s talks with the Pentagon last week. In a statement of his own, however, Gantz claimed that negotiations on the arms sale to the UAE were known to some Israeli officials, but were kept hidden from him and from Israel’s security establishment.

Defense officials said the purchase by Israel of the F-22 is not currently on the table – but they declined to elaborate further. Senior officials said that if the defense establishment had known that the United States was in talks with Israel and the Emirates about the normalization of relations between the two, they would have taken advantage of the opportunity and engaged in negotiations over weapons systems to extend Israel’s military assistance agreement with the United States – which currently expires in 2028 – or to draft a new and improved agreement.




In the latest meetings between Israeli and American defense officials, the Israeli representatives raised the possibility of buying the F-22. This was not the first time that Israel has expressed interest in purchasing the fighter, as have other countries, but all of the foreign purchasers have been turned down.

The F-22 is the most advanced fighter in the world in terms of maneuverability, armament and range. In 2011, when funding for it ended, the United States shut down its F-22 production line, and its sale to foreign militaries was banned by federal law – in part over concern that the planes’ advanced technology would leak out to hostile countries.



Senior Israeli defense officials say the purchase of the world’s most advanced air superiority fighter would help preserve Israel’s quantitative military edge in the region.


“Our qualitative advantage is narrowing with respect to planes, drones, armament and air defense systems,” a senior official said in a closed meeting. “The pace of change in the Middle East is high. It’s a different Middle East from what it was in the last decade, and many countries that are not in direct conflict with Israel are investing huge sums to build some of the most advanced air forces and air defense systems in the world.”

The former commander of the Air Force’s air division, Brig. Gen. Amnon Ein Dar, who stepped down in July, wrote in the Dado Center for Interdisciplinary Military Studies’s journal “Bein Haktavim” that, “Israel’s air superiority has been under increasing threat in recent years. … At a time when we are required to deal with the developing challenges in the field of advanced surface-to-air missiles and flat-trajectory fire, modern air forces are developing in the region,” he wrote. “Granted that they aren’t considered a threat at the moment, but the negative potential requires monitoring. The countries of the region are equipping themselves with an array of huge quantities of advanced forces of fighter planes and drones made in the United States, Europe, Russia and China.”

U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper, left, stands with Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz upon Gantz's arrival at the Pentagon.

U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper, left, stands with Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz upon Gantz's arrival at the Pentagon, Sept. 22, 2020.Credit: Alex Brandon

 

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F-22 is not serious. Production line is closed long time ago.
 

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Israelis do better forget the F22 and make the USA restart the YF23 plane and make it into the F23.

It is said the YF23 from Norththrop was much more superior to the F22.
 

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Don't underestimate the Jews' power in the US, my friend. They've pretty much got Washington DC wrapped around their pinky finger. They can certainly get the US to reopen F-22 production AND have the US taxpayers pay for it.

No need to overestimate either. For example once Israel signed contract to sell airborne radars to China. US banned this sale and Israel was forced to pay 1 billion $ compensation.

US refused to sell some weapon systems to Israel, for example Tomahawk missiles, during Obama rule US even refused to sell Hellfire missiles for Apache helicopters (as result Israel equipped them with Spikes).
 

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No need to overestimate. For example once Israel signed contract to sell airborne radars to China. US banned this sale and Israel was forced to pay 1 billion $ compensation.

US refused to sell some weapon systems to Israel, for example Tomahawk missiles, during Obama rule US even refused to sell Hellfire missiles for Apache helicopters (as result Israel equipped them with Spikes).

Any chance that Israelis can revive the Lavi project also revive the American YF23 project??

Any chance of buying Northrops design?
 

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Any chance that Israelis can revive the Lavi project also revive the American YF23 project??

Any chance of buying Northrops design?
No chance.

Lavi with the arrival of 5th gen is outdated and reviving YF-23 is too costly.
 

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With 6th gen coming I think the USA may give F22s to Israel.
 

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F-22 is not serious. Production line is closed long time ago.

There is distinct possibility that the production line can be re-opened since Japan was willing to pay the cost for the acquisition of F-22. If Israel, Japan and the US can be some sort of agreemeent then why wouldnt they sell.

However from what i know the F-22 cant be sold to anyone by law so thats something that has been addressed first and foremost.
 

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No need to overestimate either. For example once Israel signed contract to sell airborne radars to China. US banned this sale and Israel was forced to pay 1 billion $ compensation.

US refused to sell some weapon systems to Israel, for example Tomahawk missiles, during Obama rule US even refused to sell Hellfire missiles for Apache helicopters (as result Israel equipped them with Spikes).
What was the logic behind refusing to sell Hellfire (the main ammo of Apache)?
 

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What was the logic behind refusing to sell Hellfire (the main ammo of Apache)?
2014 Gaza war.

 

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2014 Gaza war.

Why you didn’t ask them before modifying?
 

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There is distinct possibility that the production line can be re-opened since Japan was willing to pay the cost for the acquisition of F-22. If Israel, Japan and the US can be some sort of agreemeent then why wouldnt they sell.

However from what i know the F-22 cant be sold to anyone by law so thats something that has been addressed first and foremost.
Actually I dont think Israel needs F-22 at all. It is very expensive: like two F-35s. The additional fighter model with require large infrastructure investments. F-22 and F-35 cant communicate with each other well. In terms of air to ground F-35 is better than F-22, in terms air to air F-35 is very strong, way better than any rivals around.
 

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I guess it does not need permission. We dont export them or something.
May be true or not for Israeli, Americans requires permission for changing a nut over their products ;)
 

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