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[Strong AI]

Those systems make RF guided A2A Missiles and SAMs blind, don't they? İ don't think they could jam modern ground radars however jamming active seeker of missiles is quite enough.

ChatGPT:

Yes, you're correct. Electronic warfare systems like the AN/ALQ-257 IVEWS and the VIPER SHIELD™ AN/ALQ-254(V)1 are primarily designed to disrupt and neutralize radar-guided threats, including air-to-air (A2A) missiles and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). These systems employ various techniques, including jamming, to interfere with the radar signals used by these missiles to track and target aircraft.

While they may not directly jam all types of ground-based radars, their ability to jam the active seeker of missiles can indeed be highly effective in countering threats from radar-guided missiles. By disrupting the guidance systems of these missiles, electronic warfare systems can significantly reduce their effectiveness and increase the survivability of aircraft in hostile environments.

 

[UkroTurk]

ChatGPT:

Yes, you're correct. Electronic warfare systems like the AN/ALQ-257 IVEWS and the VIPER SHIELD™ AN/ALQ-254(V)1 are primarily designed to disrupt and neutralize radar-guided threats, including air-to-air (A2A) missiles and surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). These systems employ various techniques, including jamming, to interfere with the radar signals used by these missiles to track and target aircraft.

While they may not directly jam all types of ground-based radars, their ability to jam the active seeker of missiles can indeed be highly effective in countering threats from radar-guided missiles. By disrupting the guidance systems of these missiles, electronic warfare systems can significantly reduce their effectiveness and increase the survivability of aircraft in hostile environments.

So IIR guided missiles seem to be more lethal and popular soon.

We urge stealth KAAN and KE and ANKA 4 with Bozdoğan and SUNGURs.

 

[Yasar_TR]

We urge stealth KAAN and KE and ANKA 4 with Bozdoğan and SUNGURs.

Every now and then our members are mentioning Anka-4. We know of Anka-3 being a flying wing.
Can you or anyone else enlighten us what Anka-4 is please?

 

[Fatman17]

Turkey will upgrade its fleet of F-16 fighter aircraft with Northrop Grumman's latest electronic warfare (EW) suite, with plans to integrate the system into future blocks of the venerable jet fighter, Janes has learnt.

Ankara's decision marks the first major Foreign Military Sales of the AN/ALQ-257 Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS) for the company, said James Conroy, vice-president of navigation, targeting and survivability at Northrop Grumman.

“We will be delivering over 150 [EW] systems to Turkey for their F-16s, their new aircraft as well as modernising their existing F-16 [fleet],” Conroy said during a 30 January interview. Turkey is one of two foreign air forces that have selected the IVEWS, and the programme officials are “in conversations with a number of countries right now” regarding potential procurement of the system, according to Conroy.

 

[UkroTurk]

Every now and then our members are mentioning Anka-4. We know of Anka-3 being a flying wing.
Can you or anyone else enlighten us what Anka-4 is please?

No idea, İ also wonder if there is ANKA-4. İt happened Urban Legend

 

[Nutuk]

It's more than urban legend, Temel Kotil said last year they were working on ANKA-4.

 

[Kartal1]

Eurofighter statement from BAE Systems

BAE Systems Spokesperson made the following statements to Defense Turk;

“We continue to pursue a number of export opportunities for Typhoon in Europe and beyond. We support the UK Government's discussions with Turkey on shared defense and security priorities, including its interest in Typhoon."

"The Typhoon remains one of the world's most successful military combat aircraft, providing critical air defense capability, including support to NATO operations."

BAE Systems exhibited the next generation cockpit of the Eurofighter Typhoon at the World Defense Show in Saudi Arabia.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1755942298012000437

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I don't think they're working on Anka 4, and if they are, it's at a very early concept stage in terms of gathering ideas and feedback from the current Anka 3.
But to already have the preliminary design here, and how much payload it can carry etc. I doubt it.

 

[Windchime]

Curiously just realized our neighbor hasn't chosen any EW suite , have they?

just looked up their F-16 upgrade package

so pretty much the majority of their upgraded F-16s are defenseless. Unless of course that second customer is them though I doubt it.

btw ASPIS II is from the early 2000s, so you can get a clue how effective it will be in the modern theatre.

ASPIS-1 and 2 are pretty much the Greek equivalent of SPEWS-1 and 2. Obviously, it's not as new as Viper Shield or IVEWS.

Though you should also know that there are various drop in upgrade kits available for pre-existing legacy EW suite offered by its OEMs (eg: digitalisation). Most late 90s~early 2000s EW suite already had a very modern set of EW operating modes built in them, and most built-in Falcon EW suites (bar some exceptions like Falcon Edge) operate in similar bandwidth. Greece (and Raytheon) had various problems regarding the devlopment and installation of ASPIS-2 throughout the entirety of program's history, but more recently, it seems like they've sorted most, if not all of these problems out.

So it is very clear that the THK F-16Vs upgraded with IVEWS will have an upper hand against Helenic F-16Vs, though in the same time, calling them "defenseless" is a stretch.

 

[Sanchez]

Mission never ends.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1756275558814536146

 

[TheInsider]

IVEWS has 2 mostly underrated advantages.
1) It is an integrated system and the first of its kind for F-16 which means pylon number 5 allocated for ECM payload will be freed and we can load a 300-gallon fuel tank. For comparison, CFT carries 450 gallons of fuel. Our F-16s will reach even further.
2) IVEWS works in complete harmony with the APG-83 SABR radar. This is a whole different level than other Viper EW systems. IVEWS brings a lot of 5th-generation capability to the Viper platform.

 

[Afif]

IVEWS has 2 mostly underrated advantages.
1) It is an integrated system and the first of its kind for F-16 which means pylon number 5 allocated for ECM payload will be freed and we can load a 300-gallon fuel tank. For comparison, CFT carries 450 gallons of fuel. Our F-16s will reach even further.
2) IVEWS works in complete harmony with the APG-83 SABR radar. This is a whole different level than other Viper EW systems. IVEWS brings a lot of 5th-generation capability to the Viper platform.

Not only IVEWS, but L3harris's AN/ALQ-254 (V1) has both of those advantages.

It is a built in system.
It is in complete hermony with APG-83.

 

[Huelague]

No idea, İ also wonder if there is ANKA-4. İt happened Urban Legend

No, it is the logical consequence. After 3 comes 4. Same goes with our Fighter jet project.

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1756302633667871009

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1756302633667871009

Yeah, we pinky promised not to use the F-16s we buy from them in the deal but I wonder what did we say about other F-16s we have... Or F-4s... Or all kinds of drones... Do pinky promises have fine prints?

Edit: More seriously, the thing these people forget about fucking with us is that sooner or later, US leaves. Might take a year , might take a decade, but they will leave. And we are still going to be here, shoving bombs where sun don't shine so long as terrorist attack us. They should really learn to play nice and keep their dogs in short chains if they don't want to be constantly scared about US leaving.

 

[Nutuk]

I don't think they're working on Anka 4, and if they are, it's at a very early concept stage in terms of gathering ideas and feedback from the current Anka 3.
But to already have the preliminary design here, and how much payload it can carry etc. I doubt it.

It doesn't matter what you and I think. For what it is worth we may think both wrong.

What we know is that Temel Kotil talks about working on ANKA-4, so there is a project going on irrelevant to in what stage it is. One day is may just appear like ANKA-2 and ANKA-3 in almost finished stage.

 

[TheInsider]

Not only IVEWS, but L3harris's AN/ALQ-254 (V1) has both of those advantages.

It is a built in system.
It is in complete hermony with APG-83.

From what I know AN/ALQ 254 (V1) Viper Shield doesn't have pulse-to-pulse interoperability with AN/APG-83 SABR this is one of the reasons why USAF chose AN/ALQ 257 IVEWS over Viper Sheild.

I was really surprised when I saw IVEWS in the DSCA note.

 

[Iskander]

The US Congress decided to approve a deal with Turkey to sell it 40 new and modernize existing F-16 fighters.

The American Embassy in Ankara reported this on the social network X.

“This week's decision by Congress to approve Turkey's acquisition of 40 new and 79 upgraded F-16 aircraft is a major step forward. The Turkish F-16 fleet is critical for NATO forces in terms of ensuring future interoperability between allies,” the embassy quoted the head of the diplomatic mission, Jeffrey Flake, as saying.

 

[Oublious]

The US Congress decided to approve a deal with Turkey to sell it 40 new and modernize existing F-16 fighters.

The American Embassy in Ankara reported this on the social network X.

“This week's decision by Congress to approve Turkey's acquisition of 40 new and 79 upgraded F-16 aircraft is a major step forward. The Turkish F-16 fleet is critical for NATO forces in terms of ensuring future interoperability between allies,” the embassy quoted the head of the diplomatic mission, Jeffrey Flake, as saying.

So are the F16 in our pocket now?

How will the projec go after the approval from the congres?

 

[Sanchez]

So are the F16 in our pocket now?

Nope. At any point they can still make a new law with 2/3 majority blocking the sale, well after first few aircraft are even delivered to Turkey. If US gov and parties want to exert pressure, say against a Syria operation, they still can. To clarify though, they can always do this. Doesn't mean they will do it.

Now it's time for negotiations if they haven't already did those during the last 2.5 years. Exact number and type of systems to be sold, offset deals, and possible license production etc will be negotiated now. Can take a few weeks to months.